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Hard News: UPDATED: Media Take: Election Songs

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  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Matt Crawford,

    Take note Prime Minister, MSM, and bloggers of the sewers - RB is a man who has been described as 'tribal Labour'* simply and swiftly rejecting some anti-JK speech as beyond the pale.

    Didn't Russell describe himself as such? Even then, I'm amused when moderate liberals get the Reductio ad Stalinum label thrown at them - I'm looking at you, Redsterbaiter & Mr Loudon.

    11. You're a left-wing blogger: how will the Labour Party fare in the next election, in your opinion?

    Everyone knows I'm a tribal Labour voter but I'm not a member of any political party and have no wish to be. I'm a centre-left liberal but I have some fairly significant disagreements with people on the left side of things, like on free trade and the whole discussion around mining. As things stand, I don't think [Labour] are going to do very well. But we'll see.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5418 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Pharmachick,

    And, if we are all honest with ourselves, that what these lyrics not only represent, but illustrate beautifully… a callous disregard for a young woman as a sex object for someone else to “make a point” – in this case the really weak “oh, I was looking for attention to “get out the vote”. Sorry the lyricist has had an epic fail there.

    They were probably trying to pull an Eminem or Body Count, and missed the mark.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5418 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Didn’t Russell describe himself as such? Even then, I’m amused when moderate liberals get the Reductio ad Stalinum label thrown at them – I’m looking at you, Redsterbaiter & Mr Loudon.

    Wasn't the point that someone (Russell) on 'the left' can quite happily publicly note when they think someone on their 'team' is out of line, without the sky falling?

    The obvious between the lines reading being that those on 'the right' don't seem capable of doing the same?

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Via Photoshop. And headed “Leader of the Pack”. In an election period.

    Well, that's a zebra of a different stripe. Details that I wasn't fully aware of.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    What do "tribes" have to do with it? Russell and I have been having *cough* free and frank exchanges of views for years, but even if Fiona, Jimmy and Leo weren't friends I don't take cheap shots at them to get at Russell. He repays the courtesy. It's just what you do if you're not a complete rectum on the body politic.

    And no matter what you think of John Key, I don't think subjecting his daughter to violent and sexualized lyrical bullshit is acceptable. That's just abuse culture in action and this shit has to stop. Full stop. Period. No exceptions or qualification accepted.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Pharmachick, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I agree with you Craig. Its disturbing. I couldn't care less if this band is left, right or whatever, they've made a grave error of judgement with such violent tripe. I really wish they would come out and admit it was wrong.

    Since Apr 2009 • 35 posts Report Reply

  • Pharmachick, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Yes, I can see that Deep Red. And there are many, many examples of "shock" tactics like this from the past. It is interesting that a lot of the guys from NWA now admit that some of the lyrics were wrong, although they still hold fast tot he protests they were making. I suppose with age comes … (well, wrinkles actually ;-) )

    Since Apr 2009 • 35 posts Report Reply

  • Pharmachick, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    Hi Tom Semmens, I'm truly sorry that I got you mixed up with Tom Scott the lyricist/singer yesterday.

    I do take your point about attacks on democracy. Personally, I'm not partisan right or left but I sincerely worry about how this election is going. Maybe I'm earning my tinfoil hat for this, but I can't help but be very worried about the influence of foreign millionaires on our internal politics. All that being said, we have a lot of problems with our own wealthy and/or connected people trying to influence politics. It is great that people can still debate these things though in a civilized manner!

    Since Apr 2009 • 35 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    What do “tribes” have to do with it? Russell and I have been having *cough* free and frank exchanges of views for years, but even if Fiona, Jimmy and Leo weren’t friends I don’t take cheap shots at them to get at Russell. He repays the courtesy. It’s just what you do if you’re not a complete rectum on the body politic.

    That's very sweet of you Craig, but I should reiterate that "tribal" was my word. I'll own that :-)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22754 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Also, everyone please note that as promised I've updated the original post with links to last night's show and relevant documents and opinions. Plenty to be chewing over!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22754 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    God grief. Graeme Edgeler has helpfully advised me that on the basis of discussions he's had with the Electoral Commission, this morning's guest post by James Dann about why he's standing in Ilam should carry a promoter statement, as if it were an electoral advertisement.

    The same would not, however, apply if James' post were to be published as a newspaper column. This is strange.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22754 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to Russell Brown,

    The same would not, however, apply if James' post were to be published as a newspaper column. This is strange.

    Surely PA of all places is a "news media Internet site"?

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1711 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    Surely PA of all places is a “news media Internet site”?

    "Hard News" even

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    It does seem rather like an electoral advertisement. What’s crazy is not that you should be required to carry the promoter statement, but that practically every opinion piece in the Herald shouldn’t have to.

    I mean the idea of these statements, so far as I understood, is so that people can know who is paying for the publishing. For print and billboards that cost can be substantial so it’s good to know who is the money behind them. But how much does letting James put a post on PA cost? Is it even one cent?

    “Russell Brown stumped up the billionth of his total bandwidth and server space that this ‘advertisement’ cost. Follow the money!”

    ETA: Sorry, got that all wrong. Authorization != paying for. So that's not the only purpose of the statements. I guess they're also to establish that this is actually something that James Dann does approve of being said in his name (which should be a bit obvious from the fact that he's the author).

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson, in reply to Pharmachick,

    Maybe I’m earning my tinfoil hat for this, but I can’t help but be very worried about the influence of foreign millionaires on our internal politics.

    Do you have to be born overseas to be a “foreign” millionaire?

    I've read plenty of research in the last few years indicating that becoming a millionaire makes you stranger (compared to most people) than simple geography ever could.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

    It does seem rather like an electoral advertisement.

    It wasn't solicited as such. I asked readers for guest posts, particularly about electorate battles.

    What’s crazy is not that you should be required to carry the promoter statement, but that practically every opinion piece in the Herald shouldn’t have to.

    Well, yeah.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22754 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It wasn't solicited as such.

    Nor does it read as such. It's much more "this is what I've been doing" than "vote for me!"

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It wasn’t solicited as such.

    Is it your solicitation, or the purpose of the writing itself that makes it an advertisement? I read it as James making a perfectly valid pitch to raise his profile as an electoral candidate on a widely read medium. If it had been you or someone else writing about James, would it have required the statement? Graeme?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Greg Dawson,

    forex a jolly good fellow...

    do you have to be born overseas to be a “foreign” millionaire?

    John Key was born in Auckland
    that's a foreign country to us Chchch folk
    (even if we did raise that viper at our breast)
    let's exchange 'foreign' for 'alien'
    'cos he sure acts like he has 'a lien' on the country...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    ‘cos he sure acts like he has ’a lien’ on the country…

    A fee? Fie! He only reigns until his foes stop fumbling, anyway.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Russell Brown,

    The same would not, however, apply if James’ post were to be published as a newspaper column. This is strange.

    I see it as the same as staging a public meeting, in the privet/public cusp. A shopping mall, for lack of a better analogy.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • Dismal Soyanz,

    Yesterday's (26th August) Nine to Noon had a good segment with Hayden Wilson of Kensington Swan on the Planet Key song which discussed albeit briefly the different treatment of blogs and MSM.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2010 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Allan Moyle, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    But it's not news when same magazine is still sitting in doctors, dentists, physios's & tyre repair waiting rooms etc 3 months later, right in the middle of an election campaign and the AB's are playing AU, SAF etc. That is the calculation made by the message managers in getting that cover at the time they did.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 103 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Greg Dawson,

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    I’ve beanstalkin’…

    A fee? Fie! He only reigns until his foes stop fumbling

    We do need a ‘giant killer’ (figuratively of course!)
    and ‘David’ Cunliffe does look a lot like Stumbo…
    time for a real bridge builder
    (look you can see the Greens in there)
    rather than a spanner in the works…
    (or a mega man!)
    Just sayin…

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Re the show on Tuesday night:
    I thought Toi rather missed Laura O’Connell Rapira's point when he said 'we'll see you next election', as she had just stressed that phase II of RockEnrol's vision was to continue to engage young voters after the election.
    Maybe you could check in with them 6 months on to see how it's going.?

    I also imagine RockEnrol will have cyclic work for every new cohort of eligible voters that comes of age each year, hell, every day.
    ...and why wait till election year to apprise them of their rights and power?
    - it could be the new rite of passage the Government should send a letter to everyone when they turn 18, welcoming them to the plebiscite and assuring them their vote counts and why.
    - its nice to feel included...

    and perhaps there's room for a 'younger version' of Media Take as well?
    (or you could let them 'curate' an episode)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

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