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Katharine Moody, in reply to
Tomorrow morning we’ll be organising and doing what needs to be done to become both a gathering and rallying point for the many progressive NZers who want to come together and take meaningful action to hold the government to account – and you can bet education will be on the agenda.
Go Marianne. Was with you all the way on what you've done so far and will be there in future! And I'll donate more - after all, National aren't taking it from me in tax and I've got absolutely no problems paying the bills and the kids don't want any of my money when I die either. But, they do want their children to grow up in a decent society - like they did.
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mark taslov, in reply to
To be clear about my response, I meant to say that my initial examples, Beijing's theme parks, are “pretty shit”, not the historical sites obviously, especially not the Summer Palace.
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
What, exactly, can the Privileges Committee do to MPs who misbehaved in a previous term?
It brings the matters it takes to the court of public opinion - and out from under the propaganda of 'left-wing conspiracy'.
If you want to get (even more) sick to your stomach about how National handled this whole campaign - read this and spot the similarities;
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch06.html
Most important quotes follow:
" The receptivity of the great masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan. As soon as you sacrifice this slogan and try to be many-sided, the effect will piddle away, for the crowd can neither digest nor retain the material offered. In this way the result is weakened and in the end entirely cancelled out...
But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success."
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Amanda Wreckonwith, in reply to
shit in rivers and methane it is then!
We can sort the rivers but the methane will still be an issue. We can't ignore that either.
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
Large swing against Nats in Christchurch East, Helensville, Rimutaka, but the benefit isn’t Labour.
Wow - really interesting, thanks!
Hellensville swing very interesting. He was totally bored during the debate there. Said a lot. He's not an MP in the constituency sense. And PMs can be - e.g., David Lange.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
Perhaps if Fonterra hadn’t ballsed up their supply chain by messing with their organic milk contracts they wouldn’t be struggling.
You are probably on the money there : having organic supply was only ever a PR/damage limitation thing for Fonterra - a way of shutting up a small and vocal minority of suppliers who wanted to raise their game.
No place for that sort of thing in a co-operative, right? -
Farmer Green, in reply to
At the risk of rattling Farmer Green’s cage
Tourism is recreational pollution in my book.
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Jack Harrison, in reply to
Farmer Green. Just give us some insite into the side of the economy you have eyes on. What do we do with milk?
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Amanda Wreckonwith, in reply to
Tourism is recreational pollution in my book.
But what type of pollution do you think it causes? Greenhouse gasses? or are you thinking of another type of pollution?
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Farmer Green, in reply to
But, ok, Deborah’s job is basically to talk to Labour and likely Labour voters in her seat,
That's true. Labour's policies were in no way attractive to me, but I obviously wasn't alone in that. And national's policies leave plenty to be desired.
But there is nothing wrong with giving your electorate vote to someone to whom you can relate.
If you never meet the candidate then you may be more likely to vote along party lines for both of your votes. -
mark taslov, in reply to
Nothing is easy….
Mr Green, Chris asked how to make more money, there aren’t many industries to choose from so that’s a suggestion, we’ll just put that aside, down here on the rug beside the the slippers.I do worry how easy it is for top tax bracket earners to dismiss ideas on environmental or ethical grounds when NZ is literally swimming in shit and up to 48b debt for the trouble, and while children are living in poverty. Ideally everyone would be engaged in environmentally sustainable farming like you Green but where’s their land to work? Where’s their education? What are people actually going to do? All those beggars in Wellington, how are they going to be brought back into New Zealand?
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Jack Harrison, in reply to
You are a Labour voter Farmer Green, we're going to change you and make you rich.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
What do we do with milk?
Currently we burn vast amounts of coal to co-generate steam and electricity so that we can take all the water out of a large proportion of the milk ,thus turning it into a low -value commodity, which we then try to sell to poorer countries where clean fresh water is in increasingly short supply.
Why do you ask? -
Katharine Moody, in reply to
Winston Peters has said, very loudly and very clearly, that he can’t think of any job he’d like less than being Speaker. I don’t know why people keep suggesting it.
Because they don't want him in the opposition.
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mark taslov, in reply to
It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success
Thanks for that Katharine, so so true.
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
In case folk are interested, the party vote swing is available here:party vote swingLarge swing against Nats in Christchurch East, Helensville, Rimutaka, but the benefit isn’t Labour.I’ll see if I can pull out the candidate data and do a similar thing sometime this week.
Wow - great stuff, thanks!
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mark taslov, in reply to
Yeah, apathy won on the day.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
You are a Labour voter Farmer Green, we’re going to change you and make you rich.
Good one Jack :-) But don't worry about making me rich ; I don't go to town much. And I love recycling things ; it gets to be a bit of a bone of contention at times.
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BenWilson, in reply to
Can I suggest this would be way, way more informative as a side-by-side bar chart? Humans are awful at visually guessing angles and areas, but very good at relative heights, and you wouldn’t need 2 charts.
ETA: Oh, and pretty please! This is good stuff...but pie charts are really quite poor at conveying the desired information. Their usefulness probably ends in primary school when teaching simple fractions.
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Farmer Green, in reply to
Because they don’t want him in the opposition.
And because he would make fewer speeches.
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What's this I see in the Port of Tauranga? Raw logs? Awaiting export? I'm hardly the first person to ask why we aren't adding a bit more value first.
Also, it would seem to me that there's a lot more to the NZ economy than primary production, tourism and export education. Oh, and the occasional Hollywood blockbuster. New Zealand builds planes, don't you know, and I seem to remember them doing a deal with a Beijing company earlier this year, but my Google fu is deserting me, can't find a relevant link. Anyway, the point is there's plenty more going on in NZ than churning out milk powder, raw logs, graduates to fill international plane seats, and Hollywood films. Yes, there is a bit of media coverage of the rest of NZ's industries, especially the few who make it big, but there doesn't seem to be anywhere near the same level of support that those big few get.
It also seems to me [takes a deep breath before shooting in the direction of his own economic foot] that NZ has failed to learn from history and is still a bit too good at relying on only one market.
Diversify, people! And let's try and persuade the government to join in. After all, we're stuck with them for the next three years (most likely).
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Shaun Lott, in reply to
To be replaced by whom?
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Farmer Green, in reply to
Jeez Mark, there's only so much one guy can do :-)
" where’s their land to work? Where’s their education? What are people actually going to do? All those beggars in Wellington, how are they going to be brought back into New Zealand?"
You seriously want me to have a go at that lot now?
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
Amazing. Low voter turnout (apathy) is a very big worry in academic circles/literature that I've been associated with. Just goes to show how many adults of voting age are disenfranchised, and of course they are raising children who will be similarly disengaged and disenfranchised.
Media sensationalism is a real problem. Take for example the angle The Nation took on the IMP cannabis proposals - totally negative, attack-type reporting - looking only for something to embarrass with... virtually ignoring the serious issue that drug use/abuse is - only hoping to "score" a headline about a division of opinion within the party. See his discussion on Pundit of it here;
http://pundit.co.nz/content/ideas-ethics-drugs-why-you-need-to-keep-asking
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Jack Harrison, in reply to
How do we use our primary goods sector efficiently, profits, jobs, new exports.?
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