Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: The fake news problem

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  • Emma Hart, in reply to BenWilson,

    I do rather feel America deserves what they voted for. Sometimes the hard way is the only way to learn.

    Except that, y'know, most of them didn't, and the people who will suffer the most are the ones who were least likely to vote for him.

    Otherwise I'd be really happy for Canada to build a wall and just leave the fuckers to it.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green,

    An argument that a country should produce the things that are consumed by the residents is given an outing by the archdruid.
    Godzone needs to be clever here: we live or die by the trade rules in vogue at any particular time. And of course we are canny traders: we canned the trade deal with Russia but kept supplying them with dairy products.
    Trump will do what is good for the U.S. : we'll have to get smarter.
    http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.co.nz/

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Emma Hart,

    The other question will be - will the ones who voted for Trump be the ones who gain the most, because if they perceive that they have done so , then they will vote for more of the same.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Farmer Green,

    The other question

    Who’s perception is more at fault?… or
    Will these people never tire of being self-centred?

    Milton Freidman was a twatcock
    The Chicago school is a blot on humanity

    a country should produce the things that are consumed by the residents

    uh huh?

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1888 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to andin,

    uh huh?

    Apparently in the age of "free trade" this idea is radical if not heretical, and is patently anti-globalisation.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Farmer Green,

    It's certainly a radical idea that I shouldn't be able to consume cars or electronics, or bananas.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10647 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell, in reply to BenWilson,

    You will, however, be able to have mutton for every meal, and bathe in milk powder.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 493 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to BenWilson,

    NZ can make cars, electronics, and grow bananas, but I get your point.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to John Farrell,

    mutton for every meal, and bathe in milk powder.

    On Fridays you can have fish , and bathe in the ocean.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank,

    Sometimes it isn't easy, distinguishing between fake news & real. If someone told you that a squirrel died in a kamikaze attack on a politician, you'd suspect it was fake eh? What if they told you they read it in the NZ Herald? Some cynics would still go for fake, no doubt. But it looks like the antipolitician groundswell in the USA has infected local wildlife... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11754844

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 292 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell, in reply to Farmer Green,

    Cars and electronics - from imported components.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 493 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to John Farrell,

    Cars and electronics – from imported components.

    and mutton from….

    At some point we might just have to admit that we're a bit thick, our number #8 wire mentality won't cut it in the digital age, we can't recycle, we can't build anything from scratch, heck our chief reason for not getting the electoral commission to introduce a more rigorous voter eligibility criteria is that although we can trust them to count the votes we couldn't possibly trust them to oversee a system to ensure voters understand what they're doing because of some racists 50 years ago. The famous kiwi can't do attitude.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell, in reply to mark taslov,

    Imported phosphate and veterinary drugs.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 493 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to John Farrell,

    I put the phosphate and drugs in a bowl, I stirred them up, wacked them in the microwave, added a little salt, still no mutton, what be happening? Is it that we're arguing against FG's larger point from an absolutist position?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    I was involved in the electronics industry (when we had one). The only locally sourced components we used were printed circuit boards....and they were made from an imported substrate.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 493 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to John Farrell,

    Here’s what they did, they set up Special Economic Zones, wages undercut the global competition, leading global tech companies relocated their manufacturing to the zones. They reverse engineered the tech they were tasked with manufacturing and copied it. Obviously problematic, but nothing on this page strikes me as compelling justification to eschew the broader aim of greater domestic self-sufficiency, unless of course it is indeed our desire to remain a client state indefinitely, prone to all the elements.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank, in reply to mark taslov,

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 292 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Farmer Green,

    “free trade” this idea is radical if not heretical, and is patently anti-globalisation.

    How about this for a radical idea, stop all this dicking around trade agreements which are usually a crock of shite anyway and for the benefit of a few not the many.
    Make sure everyone has good health care and a good standard of living, the children are being educated and cared for globally, and the rest of us sit down and work out how we can become a global society instead of a divided species living in different parts of this globe circling the sun, and how we can make it sustainable for future generations until we can explore other parts of the cosmos. And make existence mean more than a monetary unit.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1888 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    I had a (very) brief skim of the blogpost in question, and to be fair to The Archdruid, and Farmer Green, that isn't exactly the suggestion being made.

    More like a food miles kind of thing, I think, and pragmatic enough to import what can't be produced locally.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Rich Lock,

    And acknowledging that NZ needs to be exporting if we are going to service and repay our debts .
    So it is about trade, which will never be totally free, and is unlikely to be all in our favour. Most likely we will think it unfair to varying degrees.
    The message for NZ might be to produce things that give us the returns we need to stay afloat ; unlikely that this will be milk powder to third world markets.

    This arrived yesterday ; seems like same old:-

    https://www.nzmp.com/about-nzmp/our-unique-land.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20161111_GrassFed_NZ_NZMP&utm_source=sfmc&et_rid=0039000000DmjM9AAJ

    What does the panel think?

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green,

    Just an observation that the interest rate on a five year loan term has not been lower in the last 40 years. It may not last much longer ; less than one year in my view.

    https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/11/25/crash2-you-know-its-imminent-when/

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Farmer Green,

    What does the panel think?

    Where's the good news?
    Oh that's right there is none, unless you believe Fonterra is the answer
    Which means suspending disbelief
    So I'll just resume a holding pattern waiting for the shit to hit the industrial sized fan
    As there doesnt seem to be a lot I can do about it.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1888 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green,

    If you are identifying the Fonterra guff as pure spin, then you could be right. On the positive side, it is a move to get rid of PKE.
    Maybe replace it with more nitrogen fertiliser?

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    a data based investigation into the propagation mechanisms of the US political "news"-like stories

    https://points.datasociety.net/fake-news-is-not-the-problem-f00ec8cdfcb#.1anmzfrqk

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to David Hood,

    A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it. -Max Planck.
    Another relevant aphorism is – ” the truth will out”.
    Or this- It is not the possession of truth, but the success which attends the seeking after it, that enriches the seeker and brings happiness to him.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

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