Hard News: Privacy and the Public Interest
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So, what to do.
How to unbreak this obviously broken system.
How much would the world change if we got rid of lobbyists and confidence and supply agreements. I keep going back to this idea of a model closer to direct democracy where politicians would vote exactly as their regularly polled constituents wished them to.
That of course puts even more power in the hands of media.
Is the media the broken system, could we fix it with a few tech innovations such as making the public aware of all sides of a story, surely we could show what and where they absorb media from and who wrote it, a crowd sourced opinion on the authors various view points, previous associations etc and of course who funded it.
So sad these last few weeks. We have simply shot and smeared the messenger, thats almost laughable in a what I assumed was an intelligent society, bad presumption on my part I guess but now I am worried for the intelligence of society moving forward. -
Sacha, in reply to
could we fix it with a few tech innovations such as making the public aware of all sides of a story
that's not a tech problem
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
How to unbreak this obviously broken system.
... I keep going back to this idea of a model closer to direct democracy where politicians would vote exactly as their regularly polled constituents wished them to.Read a suggestion recently that proposed adding randomly selected and intermittently replaced citizen representatives to the elected house so that elected MPs only made up the same proportion of the chamber as the fraction of the electorate that voted.
While the aim of the proposal was to increase voter turnout and involvement, you can bet the C&M's of this world would be finding ways to game the system. -
Walter Nicholls, in reply to
On this very website, perhaps…
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
On this very website, perhaps…
No, it was this week and wrt the UK, but good find :-)
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Nothing much to add to the overall despair of these comments. I am too disgusted that such evil, underhand and illegal behaviour can be swept away by the PM and not being held to account by the NZ public.
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I've said it before - but I reckon our leaders should be co-opted rather than elected - not quite randomly selected - but people with relevant skills, rather than the motley crew parties like National throw at us to select from.
Having said that we just went down to a street corner meeting for Labour's Poto Williams in Richmond, she impressed me as a positive candidate, and as good people - they were there, enthusiastically, at 5pm on a wet friday.
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phplad, in reply to
yes, there would need to be a way of removing barriers to voting so that everyone could. It surprises me that our "polls" are made from 1000 potential voters , yet there are 3 million devices. The electoral commission also needs to release an electoral role API so that devs can authenticate unique voters without holding the whole role. Ironically it's not available for such purposes. It needs thought and discussion.
What gave me the idea was infact Hagers book and then suddenly finding myself listening to radio commentators interviewing guests who quote the NZTU for example. If I had a guide to tell me who sleeps with who I'd find it easier to compartmentalise their views :) whilst that knowledge might grow over time and with interest it should IMHO be disclosed to a reader, especially a vulnerable one. -
GREAT result for the media companies. They can use anything they already have, Whaledump is enjoined from further publication.
Whaledump signed off this afternoon: all information now with reporters, all devices used destroyed, end of story. The guy has had a few wobbles, but that's quite an exit.
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phplad, in reply to
thank goodness !
Now, how to nominate whaledump for the Canon media awards :) -
Dan Salmon, in reply to
Yeah, good decision, and good argument by Julian Myles.
The last sentence of the Herald story surprised me: "The High Court showdown comes two weeks after the publication of Nicky Hager's Dirty Politics book"
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This is the best bit:
https://twitter.com/Evinshir/status/507767600420360192 -
Cecelia, in reply to
I can empathise here. It IS a gap in the medical system. People who have had radiation treatment in the mouth are very very prone to tooth decay. The cancer treatment is free but the intensive dental surveillance they need for the rest of their lives is not.
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Allan Moyle, in reply to
Thanks. I did a bit more digging later (as work allowed) and got the same info. Still interested as to source of the specific comments. There is a 2010 and 2014 “survey” and I imagine that it’s asking a lot of one individual to glean that level of detail on all Judges across the wide range of judicial disciplines. Further some of those comments come across as a bit “legalese” in their constructs.
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Just tweeted by Katie Bradford:
30 health academics have written to the PM asking him to investigate the hackers claims made about Food & Grocery Council's Katherine Rich
They want an inquiry into any potential conflicts of interest between Rich's Food & Grocery role & Health Promotion board role
It's starting.
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And only now talking to my mother did i get the Rawshark - Rorschach pun. Assume it's intentional...
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Brian Murphy, in reply to
Running the country, I have often thought it should be done like jury service. You get to do it at most once, are well compensated, and do the best you can.
With 120 or so "jurors" extremes should get contained.
Those who seem to want the job often seem to be those I least want doing it.
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Superb.
Closest we might get to an official two-fingered salute to Slater.
And did he really think anyone was interested in his personal life? *gag*
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SteveH, in reply to
Slater hasn’t appeared in court but his lawyer has
So Slater can only afford to represent himself against Blomfield, but suddenly has a QC for this case. A QC he's previous tried to smear. And then he didn't even show up today. Is this Slater's case or someone else's case in Slater's name?
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n the High Court at Auckland today, Justice John Fogarty said the media were still allowed to discuss material already leaked and publish information already in their hands.
The judge was quick to clarify it was an interim order pending further legal wrangling next week.
It will be an interesting weekend then. I have no doubt the journalists holding the last of the leaked emails will want to get them out there before the interim order runs out. Rawshark has said that he had already handed them over before the court order was made. Too late for Slater.... Slater than you think...
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Sacha, in reply to
potential conflicts of interest between Rich's Food & Grocery role & Health Promotion board role
Amazing that neither her nor those who appointed her seem at all concerned by the obvious problem, even before the recent revelations. Almost Oravida-level conflictedness.
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The One News report quoted Katherine Rich as saying (get your bingo card ready ...) -
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Boy, am I getting tired of that line being spun, as if it meant anything at all.
Police Officer : "Did you put arsenic in the victim's coffee?"
Suspect: "I have had coffee with a lot of people."
Well, that's all right then. No further questions.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
but that’s quite an exit
The krill is gone...
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
It’s starting.
Powder the people!
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