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  • SHG,

    Gotta say, a totally unauthenticated email reproduced in a book after being supplied to the author by a totally anonymous source is hardly what I'd call "proof".

    nup • Since Oct 2010 • 77 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to SHG,

    Gotta say, "everybody does it", "he had no right to those emails", "it's all based on hacked data" is what I'd call corroborative and suggestive. YMMV.

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    No one's denied the veracity of the correspondence reproduced in Hager's book. If he did forge it, he's up there with Macpherson.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Dylan Reeve, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Evidence that Rodney Hide sent “dodgy texts” to a young woman, or was putting an allegation of sexual harassment out there just acceptable collateral damage? I think that’s a perfectly legitimate question to ask of Hager, whether you like Hide or not. And given Slater’s rather irregular relationship with the truth, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to hope Hager did some due diligence on what he decided to publish.

    Hager's book is about the political machinations of these players. If they, in their own communications, outline this plan then that is the story that Hager is telling.

    Should he have not included the story of this apparent serious interference in the leadership of another political party because to do so would be exposing a unverifiable claim about the leader of that party?

    Auckland • Since Aug 2008 • 311 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to Sacha,

    I suspect it means the PM approaches Collins and says something like “Hey, Jude, did you do what that guy says you did?” Then he hears her reply. Then he applies his judgement and understanding of his role as Prime Munster, and acts accordingly.

    If he’s grown-up enough.

    He will ask her, according to this story on Stuff: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/10381072/Hager-book-a-smear-campaign-Key

    But it will be exactly the same as the last two times (Oravida and the leaking of Bronwyn Pullar's name): he'll ask, she'll deny, he'll say he's taking her at her word and that's the end of it. There should be an independent inquiry. I really wonder what Collins has that makes Key repeatedly back her versus the way he let Maurice Williamson fall on his sword.

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews, in reply to SHG,

    Oh yay, theft analogies.

    How about if the person makes a duplicate of whatever he finds and leaves the original behind?

    You mean, like what the Watergate burglars did when they took copies of documents, which eventually led to the resignation of a sitting President.

    Stupid talking point...

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to SteveH,

    rude txts?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19706 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to SteveH,

    He will ask her, according to this story on Stuff

    ah, not quite

    Key also said he accepted assurances from Justice Minister Judith Collins that she did not leak details about ACC whistleblower Bronwyn Pullar to right wing blogger Cameron Slater.

    But he said he would look at claims Collins got a prisoner moved for Slater.

    No *asking* there - and he has explicitly ruled that out to other media outlets this afternoon. Same approach as with John Banks - no, not read the report. Know nothin. Hands clean. Head in sand. Arse in air..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19706 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to SteveH,

    I really wonder what Collins has that makes Key repeatedly back her versus the way he let Maurice Williamson fall on his sword.

    Regular botox treatments.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to SHG,

    Gotta say, a totally unauthenticated email reproduced in a book after being supplied to the author by a totally anonymous source is hardly what I’d call “proof”.

    So are you going to read the book? Or just dismiss it out of hand

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to Sacha,

    No *asking* there – and he has explicitly ruled that out to other media outlets this afternoon. Same approach as with John Banks – no, not read the report. Know nothin. Hands clean. Head in sand. Arse in air..

    That's what I meant about another round of "hear no evil, see no evil". Can he get away with that again?

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • cindy baxter, in reply to "chris",

    February 2014: Key interviewed in a standup about GCSB, SIS, etc. Starts off talking about how he was called by a "member of the public" who turns out to be Slater.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9723130/Looks-like-Slater-is-Keys-Peters-source

    Later in the interview (click top left), Key admitted to calling Slater. During the interview it becomes clear they talk often.

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • cindy baxter,

    Oh and this:

    NZ's apparent top blogger on Facebook.

    547 likes.

    Nuff said.

    auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 99 posts Report Reply

  • T Oliver,

    Halfway through the book now. The tobacco company stuff is jawdropping.

    Since Jun 2010 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    I had a look at the Wheeler ebook site, but it seems to be some sort of public lending ebook service. However Amazon seems now to have an ebook version of the book for the Kindle.

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1022 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart, in reply to T Oliver,

    Can you elaborate a little for those of us who cannot currently access the source?

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Caleb D'Anvers,

    I’ve got to say, the NZ media’s craven approach to this so far confirms some of my worst fears about where the country is headed. I remember, during the period 2005-8, when pretty much all media were actively hostile to the Clark government, there was much talk of “narrative” and “a tired government” and “holding power to account.” There was a suggestion that, when National came in, the fourth estate would continue the same antagonistic approach it’d taken with Clark. But no. Over the last 6 years it’s become clear that most prominent media figures are far more comfortable with a government of the right than they were with one of the (nominal) left. In an increasingly shallow and celebrity-obsessed media economy, it seems that journalists now view power and material wealth as marks of moral authority. They know whose side they want to be on. And that’s not exactly conducive to democracy.

    It seems that, sometime between Brash’s Orewa speech and now, we lost a country.

    London SE16 • Since Mar 2008 • 482 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Ben Austin,

    I had a look at the Wheeler ebook site, but it seems to be some sort of public lending ebook service. However Amazon seems now to have an ebook version of the book for the Kindle.

    $21US for an ebook? I'll wait till tomorrow for a physical copy. I would have paid $12-15.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2932 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Caleb D'Anvers,

    the NZ media’s craven approach to this so far

    No dissonance allowed in the Key of 7 Sharp.

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to nzlemming,

    $21US for an ebook? I’ll wait till tomorrow for a physical copy. I would have paid $12-15.

    Got the ebook tonight. In a houseful of political junkies that is a bargain: loaded on the Kindle and three laptops via Kindle Cloud. It means avoiding unseemly scrapping over who gets to read a printed copy first.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2898 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin, in reply to nzlemming,

    The UK Amazon price is about $25.30 NZD, fwiw

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1022 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Caleb D'Anvers,

    seems that, sometime between Brash’s Orewa speech and now, we lost a country.

    If I wanted to be uncharacteristically optimistic, I'd point out that 'dirty politics' has sold out faster than any other book recently, including, apparaently, the last 'harry potter'. They literally can't print it fast enough.

    Also, a google search for 'dirty politics' brings up Public Address as the fourth result, all the others on the first page of results being NZherald, stuff, TV3, etc.

    Yer MSM may not want or know how to engage with this, but it seems J. Public is pretty keen.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Neck minute, I over heard some kids talking about glueing Whaleoils head onto National party billboards.

    I didn't know what to say, so I said nothing.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    No dissonance allowed in the Key of 7 Sharp.

    They could at least remind the viewers that Nicky Hager is an 'investigative journalist' and well respected by his peers.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi,

    Asked about the suggestions that Labour’s records of the incursions pointed to his own offices, Mr Key said: “I don’t think that’s right. It’s nothing to do with our office.”

    Mr Slater and a National Party Headquarters staffer were able to gain access to Labour’s records because of a security flaw on the party’s website.

    Mr Key suggested that even if Mr Ede had accessed the records, “of course it would be fine to go and do that” because they were unprotected.

    Asked if he stood by Mr Ede, Mr Key responded: “Yeah absolutely.”

    Mr Ede left Mr Key’s office this year and is now working at National Party headquarters on its re-election campaign.

    http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11309076

    I know I’m normally a fairly cynical person, but jfc that’s shocking even to me.

    No mention of the prisoner transfer stuff on Stuff or the NZ Herald, do we think Collins has had the lawyers out already?

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

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