Posts by Deborah
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I hate to break into the chorus of praise (and I intend to join it just as soon as I have read the whole thing)
but
we're flapping our arms around like a couple of spastics
Not a happy metaphor. At all.
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No worries, Steven. It happens, and I'd like to think that the PAS community is grown up enough to cope.
I'm sorry that I caused you distress.
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Of course, Russell.
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I am starting to get a distinct whiff of MRA from this thread... ewww.
Me too, Danielle.
Here's some more Feminism 101 - What's wrong with saying things happen to men too?
Not exactly on point, but close enough for it to be relevant.
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Deborah, you are trying to justify female perpetrated domestic violence
I never said that, I never would say it, and I rsent that you put the words in my mouth.
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He's removed becuase no matter who started it, he's more likely to cause serious physical harm to the other person.
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Some handy information about the women as perpetrators of domestic violence line from the Feminism 101 blog.
The statement that men and women hit one another in roughly equal numbers is true, however, it cannot be made in a vacuum without the qualifiers that a) women are seriously injured at seven times the rate of men and b) that women are killed by partners at more than two times the rate of men
It is important to note that differences between women’s and men’s rates of physical assault by an intimate partner become greater as the seriousness of the assault increases. For example, women were two to three times more likely than men to report that an intimate partner threw something that could hurt or pushed, grabbed, or shoved them. However, they were 7 to 14 times more likely to report that an intimate partner beat them up, choked or tried to drown them, threatened them with a gun, or actually used a gun on them
Sometimes women are accused of being “just as violent” as their batterers. However, spousal homicide rates show that women are killed by their partners at a rate of three times higher than women who kill men, and women who have been separated from their partners are murdered eight times more by ex-husbands than separated men killed by ex-wives.
Generally, the claim of “mutual battering” is a method of denying what is really taking place. A close look at the history and pattern of a “violent relationship” will most often show that the abuser has superior physical strength and skills for assault as well a superior social status and privilege by virtue of his gender, race or class. By contrast, his partner will be the one to adapt her behavior and lifestyle preferences to please the abuser, and will be the one who has suffered the more extensive physical and/or emotional damage. Both partners may be violent, but studies have shown that men are violent in response to women resisting their control or trying to leave, and women are violent when their lives or their children’s lives are in danger.
I haven't cherry picked these - there's plenty more there, and you might like to take a look at it before going to much further down the "but women are violent too" line.
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Jackie, if it's bugging you, that would be entomology then, wouldn't it?
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__The Standard has a gotcha. As predicted by RB - not a clear answer.__
And if he did, do you think The Standard would have posted it? Jus' saying folks...
Of course not. The point is not that it is the Standard who posted it, but that John Key fudged the answer when he was asked in November 2007, “Have you got any advisors round now that are seen in The Hollow Men?”.
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The Standard has a gotcha. As predicted by RB - not a clear answer.