Posts by Paul Williams
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Hard News: Wikileaks: The Cable Guys, in reply to nzlemming,
To assume that this release is the responsibility of Wkikleaks is a long bow to draw, given the involvement of Anonymous in the issue.
I didn't. I said I believe one of Assange's supporters have made public the last names of the complainants; that's my read of the story and it doesn't seem an unreasonable interpretation at all.
And, so I'm clear, I think it's an obscene act.
In the same way Assange is entitled to the presumption of innocence, these two women are entitled to protection from hysterical vigilantes.
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It appears at least some of Assange's supporters think it's appropriate to release information about the two women who laid the criminal complaints.
Their first names only are in the link and I can't be certain of veracity of the report.The language is full of misogynist shit though.
Someone, very early in this thread, observed that wikileaks principle was/ought to be privacy for individuals and transparency for organisations; clearly that principle is offended by this appalling action.
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Hard News: Wikileaks: The Cable Guys, in reply to Tim Hannah,
“This changes everything.” http://www.ding.net/wikileaks/234867.txt
Am I really the only one that fell for that?
I’ve read your comments and links, and some of those of others, and then further comments and links etc… and I have changed my view on the value of WikiLeaks overall quite a lot. This is part of the value of PA for me.
Me too. In fact, I’ve found it difficult to have a sensible conversation about wikileaks elsewhere making more more reliant on PAS than usual. It’s not helped by the ridiculous statements made by our Attorney General.
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Hard News: Summer's record has come early, in reply to Emma Hart,
Duncan and Emma are wonderful, wonderful people, and I'm glad that their compassion and understanding has got attention for a change, rather than vengeance-screaming. Also, Duncan teaches at Unlimited, and has a pretty good grasp on what works with teenagers and what doesn't
Just saw the story that Emma Woods has been named person of the year by the NZ Herald.
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I had a look at... I know, I got what I deserved... T' Standard. Vile, truly vile; I need brain bleach.
Kiwiblog's as bad which is why maybe we should all heed Russell's plea?
I certainly agree that Assange has a right to be presumed innocent but don't see that as meaning the charges are any less serious.
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Hard News: Wikileaks: The Cable Guys, in reply to James George,
James, I reckon you’d get a little less criticism if you tried to state, up front, what your key point was and then elaborate it. Speaking for myself, I’m disinclined to read a post if I don’t get a sense of where it’s going pretty early on.
But going back to Danyl's point:
I can’t say for sure that Wikileaks wouldn’t publish WINZ records, but the goal of their organisation is nothing to do with government privacy as regards the state and the individual citizen, but government privacy as regards the state keeping its activities secrets from the citizens that fund it.
I understand this and very broadly agree the goal. What troubles me though is that I can’t quite figure out their accountability? I need to review it further however I don’t think an editorial board, regardless of how well qualified, satisfies a reasonable expectation that if wikileaks breached my rights (defined domestically or at international law) there would be an enforceable remedy?
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Back on the theme of Assange's treatment, this article shows the Australian government at least saying the right stuff about consular assistance etc and is a positive contrast to PM Gillard's initial illadvised comments
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Hard News: Wikileaks: The Cable Guys, in reply to Che Tibby,
in reality they are very conservative and almost 'germanic' in their adherence to the rule of law. taking into account the likely quality of assange's defence lawyers, if the charges stick it will be because they have substance.
I sincerely hope this is true. Australian press report Assange will be represented by Geoffery Robertson. Robertson is a world-renown lawyer and this, combined with the inevitable large and close media - traditional and new - attention should help ensure a fair trial.
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I am somewhat leery of the argument that Assange can never be arrested for anything, ever, because he'll automatically be rendered to the Americans and tortured for years, etc. It....puts him in a position I'm dubious he deserves to be in.
I agree though I do think we all need to be concerned about the risk that he will be mistreated; the recent extrajudicial behaviour of the UK and US governments may not be constrained to just folk who look like stereotypical terrorists (take for instance David Hicks).
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Hard News: Wikileaks: The Cable Guys, in reply to ,
steven, I've not read all the coverage but neither have I read that due process wasn't followed. Dannielle's made the point I was trying to make far more clearly.