Posts by Shep Cheyenne
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Simon -
Is it likely that this will lead to a conviction?Bulldogs left a girl naked & bloody - still no conviction.
It's a legal system not a justice system, I fear she'll get no justice & probably put herself through more pain.
From the police stats it's roughly a 60% resolved for sexual offences. I don't know if that means conviction or what, but little better than a coin toss for a conviction.
http://www.police.govt.nz/service/statistics/2007/calendar/stats-national-20071231.pdf
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There are plenty of incidents where Rugby & Cricket reps never played again at top level after these 'things' go on.
A certain NZ cricket player was brushed to the side over a decade ago. A friend told me she never reported what happened to her at 16 with an overseas cricket player.
And sometimes Rugby players in their prime just decide to play overseas for 10yrs.That seems to be the 'best' outcome that can happen,
In this light Warnie & Byron seem to have some morals, it all seems consentual, no discression = no cover-up but still no class.
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Sam I did something similar earlier on in the thread myself .
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Matthew - bullets are cheaper still & they already have the guns, simply callous calculations. If you are going to do that (& I hope you don't), what of the loss to society of a tax payer, and the loss of productivity to the wider society through there death.
Wallace is the guy who would have benifited from Police having Dogs.
He was simply mentaly ill and died as a result.
If an act looks "Mad" then the guy running a muck probably is, so this level of violence & weapons will be largely used on the mentally ill.
Once helped and rehabilitated, he (& others) would be a valued member of society, we are short of any number of labourers in NZ & he looked fit and strong. -
Matthew:
I accept all of what you say & care about the welfare of dogs too. I just think if we are to invest in the police, Dogs are the way to go. They do the job and are yet to kill anyone (to my knowledge).
If tazers are one shot - you're f*&ked if you miss.
No other weapon has this limitation. I didn't realise it was so limited in its use.
Pepper Spray - multi use & two are carried at a time (I think)
Pistols 15rds (?) mags - shot guns 8rds (?)
Baton - unlimited
Dogs - 5-10yrs -
FFS "parasite" - back to the 70s useless discourse
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Paul - think of it as a hair extention.
One thread tied to the first but maybe this ones a different coulor & not quite a match to the first.
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Matthew
I'm not interested in an arms race with the police bidding for increased powers & weapons. Better and more of what they have, in the way of dogs could be a start.
I would be keen on more dogs, and am aware of the limitations but that may be an area for more $ to bge directed to.Definately dogs sould be used to avoid the loss of human life, but what do you mean by this " because they're living creatures it is much harder for humans to view them as just an expendable asset"?
Are you putting a dogs life about a humans?A S
Agreed Tazers should be classed as a fire arm, but still don't see the need if a few more dogs are out & about.Slarty
The War on Drugs is real, because we have already conducted it against China & won.
Poms pumping Opium into China crippled the entire society to the point the great unwashed & Yanks could just walking and demand anything & get it. -
whoops "I do NOT think so"
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Yeah a bit, but the first victory of that rather unpleasant man O'Connor is for us to start to believe his call for more.
Police rifles shoot straight, as do their pistols & I would be happier for a dog to be sent in to subdue the armed dangerous & mentally ill, even if that means the dog dies. I am a specieist.
They have enough toys to do the job.
Will a Tazer really be better, I do think so. But by giving a child a toy, they see that they are loved & valued.
Recruiting might be a bit easier once Richards et al are a distant memory.