Up Front: Are We There Yet?
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I have a theory that they're having way more fun than the rest of us because everything they do is naughty.
That is consistent with my experience. In fact there was a time in my life when I was a great supporter of Catholicism in young women. The stricter the better.
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In that, if I ever want someone to tell my son about God, it should be Oliver. They can cover whisky-mixing and cigarette-rolling at the same time.
My mother told me god was a funny kind of fairy. She left out any useful information about booze and fags. Fortunately I managed to sort those bits out for myself, after a fashion.
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Gio: I should mention that you're currently 3rd in the kisses queue.
And it appears that we may have been competing in the same market at some point. Not that there wasn't enough Catholic-girl love to go around.
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Or if you want all the lesbians you can carry.
Hmm... how heavy are these lesbians?
We had a Singaporean writer at Bardic Web for a few years, she was a really lovely woman. She had to give it up because her family and her boyfriend found out she was using the internet recreationally and made her stop.
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And it appears that we may have been competing in the same market at some point.
Oh, I'm sure I would have been no match for your charms, but fortunately geography was on my side.
Not that there wasn't enough Catholic-girl love to go around.
Proverbially so.
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how heavy are these lesbians?
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fortunately geography was on my side.
Yes indeed.
*NTS: Italy - sooner rather than later*Proverbially so
I note with interest that some of those results are on the giovani.it website. Any relation???
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Heh... no, giovani means "young people" and comes from Latin. The name Giovanni comes from Hebrew and means that God will look down your pants. Or something like that.
But actually I see that one of those results is me bringing it up on PAS before... shit, I'm so boring.
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God will look down your pants? Gee, Mrs Skin seems so boringly Anglo by comparison.
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Actually, I lied. Giuseppe means that god is merciful, Giovanni that god is bountiful, or the other way around. Those Hebrews weren't above sucking up to their god, it seems. Fat lot of good it did them.
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One of the pitfalls of a vengeful god perhaps.
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all the lesbians you can carry.
Yeah, fight for the right to bear dames!
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That is consistent with my experience. In fact there was a time in my life when I was a great supporter of Catholicism in young women. The stricter the better.
The only thing better than a lapsed Catholic is helping one to lapse.
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The only thing better than a lapsed Catholic is helping one to lapse.
Funny... my husband says that.
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I don't see how anyone could be bigoted and NOT genuinely believe it.
Don Brash?
(Voted for Civil Unions at the first reading, but voted against them once he'd become leader of the National party in order to snuggle up to the Brethren)
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Don Brash?
(Voted for Civil Unions at the first reading, but voted against them once he'd become leader of the National party in order to snuggle up to the Brethren)
I entirely agree. Brash's self-styled gentlemanly politics was a sham. He claimed to be a moral man, above politics even, but his record is full of blatant hypocrisy.
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WH,
**Why do you think I'm such a strong advocate of pikes?**
Bigotry and hatred are big words to throw around, I think.
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Bigotry and hatred are big words to throw around
Yes... but I can't help but think that people spouting bigotry and hatred rely on our good manners not to call them out on it. As long as everyone is polite and civilised and above all nice in their manner, you can say quite vicious and nasty things.
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Bigotry and hatred are big words to throw around, I think.
That may be so. Although, in my defence, the threat that gays represent for the non gay community is somewhat mysterious, whereas the calamities visited upon humanity by major religions to this day are pretty easy to document. Speaking of my originary neck of the woods (you'll never guess where I'm from), I have a pretty keen perspective on how much these right royal bastards are holding us back, and I'm not always shy about pointing it out.
Which is a roundabout way of saying that the pike joke wasn't altogether a joke, I suppose.
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Can I just say you blighters keep adding interesting new posts faster than I can read the old ones. Two days and I'm still not there.
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WH,
Which is a roundabout way of saying that the pike joke wasn't altogether a joke, I suppose.
It's one thing to talk about the history of world religions and the way in which their (possibly anachronistic) ideologies affect modern society. It's another to tell a specific Catholic who is going to great lengths to be sensitive that you think it would be better if they were some kind of fish. Which is a long way of saying that it seems a touch harsh, and I can't imagine it would be okay if the roles were reversed?
As long as everyone is polite and civilised and above all nice in their manner, you can say quite vicious and nasty things.
That's true. There is no getting around the basic contradictions between very different belief systems, and the need to have laws that mediate those differences fairly.
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I don't see that saying nasty and vicious things in a polite manner is a good thing, at all. I thoroughly dislike hearing misogyny and homophobia, no matter whether it's said politely or not.
As for tolerating different belief systems - fine, just as long as you don't try to impose your belief systems on me. And that includes co-opting the power of the state to support your own belief systems, through such things as tax exemptions, or taking your salary from the public purse but refusing to do part of the job. As I/S says, the moment you step out of your own private sky-fairy worship, and into any dealings in the public world, then you must keep your fancies to yourself. And that includes employing people, or providing services to people, where you simply are not allowed, by law, to discriminate.
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For when the time comes:
Marriage (Equality) Amendment Bill
The primary reason why //Quilter v Attorney-General// found same-sex marriage illegal was that the Act didn't explicitly say it was (and in that absence, the fact that it was written in 1955 was taken as implying that it meant only different-sex couples). So, we fix the problem by saying very explicitly "this applies to both different and same-sex couples". EOFS.
BTW, anyone know how foreign marriages (that is, marriages between non-NZ citizens conducted overseas) are recognised in NZ (if at all)? I'd like to add consequential amendments - or another bill - to recognise foreign same-sex marriages conducted in civilised countries.
(If you want to join the Progressive Bills Project - and its necessary to edit or comment there - you will need to create a WikiDot account and apply to join. No trolls accepted; we're a focused group).
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As to the labels "bigotry" and "hatred", I think you are using this to redact my point.
I call it what it is. If you don't want the label, don't do the behaviour. Easy.
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WH,
As for tolerating different belief systems - fine, just as long as you don't try to impose your belief systems on me.
All laws impose a belief system of some sort. We each bring our own values and sky fairies to the public world.
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