Speaker: What I learned in Class: Should Labour go after the "Bogan Vote"?
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What happens if you tell a bogan they are a public intellectual?
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Today's Tremain
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it would be a foolish party that doesn't court the bogan vote... a clever party does so via policy and engagement over a long time frame - a bit how one would like parties to operate anyway, a long term view of how they can shape New Zealand communicated to the electorate as opposed to staggering from one self made crisis to another always deflecting blame
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
What happens if you tell a bogan they are a public intellectual?
Um . . . if they're the real thing they'll do that fart trick with their armpit?
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Rob S, in reply to
What happens if you tell a bogan they are a public intellectual?
Like an old school AB's try scorer walking stolidly back to half-way you'd know that people know what you've achieved without having to do anything more. Your mates would know you for what you are and leave it there with the quiet understanding that you "done well".
Bogans aren't generally reflex anti intellectual, but don't appreciate condescending knobbery.
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a thorny problem...
Next someone will be getting upset about the prices of Auckland's 'bogan villas', cue - more media westie wisteria... -
Are bogans really that homogenous and undifferentiated as a social group? What about neo-bogans, quasi-bogans, wannbe-bogans, faux bogans, bogus bogans, used-to-be-a-bogan?
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
sleigher....
used-to-be-a-bogan?
surely back sliding bogans on the skids would be toboggans!
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a Bogan sees a politician as having no redeeming value to society
They are not alone
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
Are bogans really that homogenous and undifferentiated as a social group? What about neo-bogans, quasi-bogans, wannbe-bogans, faux bogans, bogus bogans, used-to-be-a-bogan?
I'm picturing a row of wig stands in the ensuite adjoining Dr. Bogan's office, with mullets of varying cartoonishness. Those otherwise standard perusing-document-at-desk or fetching-tome-from-shelf shots can be fine-tuned to match the quote for whatever bogan issue happens to currently exercise the media.
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Jeremy Andrew, in reply to
Um . . . if they're the real thing they'll do that fart trick with their armpit?
A real bogan or a real intellectual?
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
A real bogan or a real intellectual?
Whichever it is, I'd bet Chris Trotter would rate it as the sublime one-hand-clapping response of a Waitakere zen master.
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The Bogan woman has already read what I’ve previously written and made a mental note to tell me to make proper reference to their gender next time.
Um Yes :-). And I do take some exception to the idea that bogans don't get doctorates - some of us grew up as bogans but still went to varsity (and still identified as bogans then, and even now). I'll never forget what Labour did as I was growing up working-class in the 80s and they'll never get my vote (likewise for National in the 70s).
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I'm not a bogun. But I live in west Auckland, and I know what it is to have a front yard full of former cars. And I see in the streets of Glen Eden and Henderson and Kelston and Helensville a fair bit of what Dave's talking about here.
It's called "conservatism". And, while RB is right to point out in these pages that Henderson Man does better on a trade certificate than many do on a university degree, many don't.
Therefore: "conservative proletariat." If votes are emotive, it's the "conservative" part that wins the vote. Fuck proletariat.
Key gets it, by playing out a conservative persona, masking whatever political agenda he's being grilled about. Hence "most kiwis are more interested in the snapper quota". Classic bogun.
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Dave Snell, in reply to
Argh I swore I wouldn't read the comments and yet here I am. Hi Judi, you're quite right. What I meant was "If they choose not to do a doctorate". Because similar to your point, I'm a Bogan and I have a doctorate.
Cheers for the comment.
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Comrade Trotter is becoming increasingly desperate as the world evolves past the comfortable certainties of his distant youth. People who object to racist dogwhistling from Labour are tools of our Chinese overlords, apparently.
Pffft.
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
I'm a Bogan and I have a doctorate.
You got a license to give 'em arseholes.
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SHG,
I think someone needs to wheel Colonel Trotter back to the drawing room and top up his brandy before he embarrasses him--
whoops
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I just hope its nothing like this.
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What happens when a bogan turns out to be Chinese and then buys a house? True story.
Growing up in working class Roskill in the 80s and 90s, even the Samoan kids loved Gn’R, Zep and Metallica, so, you know. But we don’t count as the ‘bogan vote’, especially if we are feminists or are invested in our ethnic communities. Love of metal is not the criteria here for Trotter and others suddenly excited about this concept. It seems like a category error. I don’t know why people don’t just say ‘white working class’ instead of ‘bogan’. They obviously don’t want any other kind of bogan.
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
Love of metal is not the criteria here for Trotter and others suddenly excited about this concept.
Cos, everybody hates a tourist...
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Therefore: "conservative proletariat." If votes are emotive, it's the "conservative" part that wins the vote. Fuck proletariat.
Um, OK... You know, conservative ≠ "pathologically racist, misogynistic, homophobic and thick as a bucket of pig shit left out in the sun" any more than bogan does.
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I don’t know why people don’t just say ‘white working class’ instead of ‘bogan’. They obviously don’t want any other kind of bogan.
Fuckin' word.
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