Public Address | Cafe | Speaker: What I learned in Class: Should Labour go after the "Bogan Vote"? https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/ en-us Copyright (c) 2026 Public Address Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366811#post366811 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366811#post366811 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:09:12 +1300 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366809#post366809 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366809#post366809 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:01:45 +1300 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366799#post366799 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366799#post366799 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:42:10 +1300 Bruce Ward https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366796#post366796 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366796#post366796 Mon, 26 Sep 2016 16:06:11 +1300 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366795#post366795 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366795#post366795 Rusterfairings ...
What a fabulous bunch of photos...
Chrome on the range!

]]> Mon, 26 Sep 2016 15:50:56 +1300 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366791#post366791 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=366791#post366791 Editorial:

The Sunday Star Times formed in 1994, so that late-1960s/early 1970s jalopy must have been one of the last remaining company cars of its type. Honestly can't tell from the side profile, but it's probably not a Mk1 Escort, Mk2 Cortina or HB Vauxhall Viva. Doubt it's a Holden…

]]> Mon, 26 Sep 2016 14:18:13 +1300 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344846#post344846 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344846#post344846 Photoing on Car

Coming to a driveway near you soon.
Too soon?.
;-)

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 11:07:49 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344844#post344844 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344844#post344844 eighties production values

That Cars and Girls clip appears to feature the rather wonderful Photoing on Car. A curious portrayal of capitalist decadence from Gang of Four era China, it was sold in NZ in the early 70s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsbHKNi-caM

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 10:34:59 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344841#post344841 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344841#post344841 Was there ever a better song about cars and girls?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEJdfDD4dVg
As for the King of Rock and Rill...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T6e3GJCjow
More Middle Class, weekend Hippy than Bogon but doncha just love the eighties production values?.
;-)

]]> Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:49:17 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344787#post344787 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344787#post344787 Aunty didn't live in Christchurch by any chance? When my brother was a Ford apprentice there a woman owner would bring her late 60s T-bird in for service

Born and raised in CHCH but owned the T bird in Baton Rouge. Gran had the Mustang in her older years in…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:48:55 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344776#post344776 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344776#post344776 Grandma's, My Aunty had a Thunderbird :)

My bad. Aunty didn't live in Christchurch by any chance? When my brother was a Ford apprentice there a woman owner would bring her late 60s T-bird in for service. Because she was such a sedate driver 90% of the necessary decoking could…

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:09:58 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344769#post344769 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344769#post344769 That Vitesse of your auntie's was still pretty ace though Sofie.

Grandma's, My Aunty had a Thunderbird :)

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:42:00 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344725#post344725 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344725#post344725 Just to remind readers how bogans are cool with queer rockers too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhY9GOhFwN4

]]> Mon, 27 Jul 2015 00:55:31 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344723#post344723 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344723#post344723 Heh they had real special way of getting round corners, self opening doors and choke that could be used as a cruice control.

Q: What's the difference between an Austin Allegro and a Jehovah's Witness?
A: You can shut the door on a Jehovah's Witness.

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 23:26:46 +1200 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344720#post344720 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344720#post344720 Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:40:57 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344716#post344716 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344716#post344716 I rebuilt one of my own ragtop Triumph in later years.

The Triumph Herald, of the infamously primitive swing axle rear suspension, which sadly nobbled its promise of being a sports car on a bogan budget. Hark the Herald axles swing, as they once said in the trade.

That Vitesse…

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 21:14:54 +1200 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344713#post344713 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344713#post344713 Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:18:15 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344712#post344712 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344712#post344712 The problem with all these Bogons and Westies with those V8 cars is that they are all Torque.
Boom Boom....

/coat.

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:17:33 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344711#post344711 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344711#post344711 Just to remind readers how bogans are cool with queer rockers too.

So as to the title, “Should Labour go after the Bogan Vote?” I'd suggest yes, yes they should and while I'm at it, they should go after every vote (hard task for any Party). This is the only…

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:27:48 +1200 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344710#post344710 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344710#post344710 Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:07:59 +1200 81stcolumn https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344706#post344706 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344706#post344706 Bogan? You decide:

On my top ten favourite songs is this – Eddie Cochran’s Somethin’ Else note the gorgeous moment when he out Elvis’s Elvis at 1:31-1:33. Was there ever a better song about cars and girls?

https://youtu.be/95uxM4CrJqo

I did a lot of growing up in a car town where…

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 17:25:52 +1200 andin https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344693#post344693 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344693#post344693 Probably something to do with attempting bogan while having been to a ‘good school’.
theres a lot of that going around it seems, in its various forms

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 12:07:25 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344692#post344692 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344692#post344692 Sun, 26 Jul 2015 11:47:30 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344687#post344687 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344687#post344687 Dave Snell's tv show Bogans begins this Thursday

[[http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/70441462/beer-bourbon-burnouts-bogans-heroes| "Mate, we don't do re-enactments! We do historical medieval battles. Like, you see these guys on TV, dressing up as elves, giving each other a few taps with wooden weapons- that's not us. We do it with steel, mate, like they…

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:37:31 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344686#post344686 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344686#post344686 Dave Snell's tv show Bogans begins this Thursday on TV2 at 9pm – a Labour of Love! ]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 08:12:49 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344685#post344685 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344685#post344685 Ace of spades, definitely

and naturally...

Eat the Rich. The bit where Lemmy recommends his "bacon torpedo" is particularly good. Eat yer heart out Eminem.

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 07:47:43 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344682#post344682 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344682#post344682 V8 Supercars, Bathurst…
Who remembers “Godzilla”, banned from racing because it was just too good compared to other “supercars”.

The racing GT-Rs not only ended the reign of the previously all-conquering Ford Sierra Cosworths in Australian touring car racing, but their incredible success ironically led to their demise. For 1993,…

]]> Sun, 26 Jul 2015 00:16:15 +1200 Chris Waugh https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344674#post344674 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344674#post344674 Um, I dunno...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8BjeBvzw9w

This is pretty good too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sMf6TimIQg

]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2015 17:44:22 +1200 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344670#post344670 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344670#post344670 Urban hillbillies

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FPMkgBvBERk

]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2015 16:54:35 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344661#post344661 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344661#post344661 Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:42:50 +1200 Alan P https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344657#post344657 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344657#post344657 Sat, 25 Jul 2015 15:07:56 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344653#post344653 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344653#post344653 Euro cars somewhat acceptable, but essentially rich men’s wives cars.

Surely the Bedford van with a semi-clad barbarian woman wreathed in flames spraypainted on the side and padded all-leather interior and massive sound system was not only for the wives?

]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:53:54 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344652#post344652 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344652#post344652 Whereas Bogon, in my humble opinion, is a Culture/Class thing.

That Trotter's picked it up indicates to me that westies, druffs, hoons, chavs, neds, whatever, are all fodder for gentrification. And I'd go with Alan P's guess that bogan is Australian.

]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:48:39 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344651#post344651 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344651#post344651 We were, and still are, westies. Never Bogan.

Very true, Westies, every country with a west coast has them. I think its a Sunrise/Sunset thing. Whereas Bogon, in my humble opinion, is a Culture/Class thing.

]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:34:33 +1200 Alan P https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344650#post344650 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344650#post344650 Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:19:12 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344649#post344649 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344649#post344649 V8 Supercars, Bathurst...
Who remembers "Godzilla", banned from racing because it was just too good compared to other "supercars".
The racing GT-Rs not only ended the reign of the previously all-conquering Ford Sierra Cosworths in Australian touring car racing, but their incredible success ironically led to their demise.…

]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2015 14:06:40 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344639#post344639 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344639#post344639 Er, except Britain doesn't have bogans, it has chavs. Some of whom are gay, apparently, but then Britain is a very stratified society.
Could you be a bit more specific? I really don't have a clue what it is I've said that you're on about.

]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2015 10:44:33 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344638#post344638 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344638#post344638 Sat, 25 Jul 2015 10:33:14 +1200 Paul Baker https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344637#post344637 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344637#post344637 Sat, 25 Jul 2015 10:12:03 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344634#post344634 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344634#post344634 Ace of spades, definitely
and naturally...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvzePsDYv7k

]]> Sat, 25 Jul 2015 08:09:30 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344615#post344615 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344615#post344615 can I cross credit my Iron Maiden, or is that too middle class?

Iron Maiden is a quintessential metal band, existing as they do outside of the constraints of time and space that might in any other group cause at least a miniscule change in fashion or style.

So you…

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:55:54 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344614#post344614 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344614#post344614 Still on cars and music… notice the resemblance?

Tom Robinson in particular has always sounded just like the Strawbs to me on this number.

Also TRB & Citizen Band dressed the same, while managing to stand with their feet further apart in each succeeding video. Probably something to do with attempting…

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:40:36 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344613#post344613 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344613#post344613 Still on cars and music… notice the resemblance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rL0oftjRw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGrnEc_3mYo

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:29:11 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344612#post344612 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344612#post344612 Definitely. And regarding Lemmy, how cool is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vHDigOYSk4

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:22:15 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344610#post344610 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344610#post344610 See Aussie V8 racing – it was an entire racing code with a caveat that the cars had to be built using 1950’s technology. (I think they now race Japanese and German cars, the Australian motor industry having run out of buyers for their land yachts and closed down).

There…

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 19:08:51 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344609#post344609 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344609#post344609 The bogan has evolved – open to new technology – *now, it’s the Nissan skyline.

And/or the WRX or CRX.

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 18:20:42 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344608#post344608 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344608#post344608 Music-wise, Deep Purple would have to be the muthalode of most things bogan. After all, that's where the Sabs stole most of their chops from. A few days before the 1984 Queen Street riots the Monsters of the Deep
played an evening show at Western Springs. Irked by the delay…

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:34:08 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344607#post344607 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344607#post344607 now, it’s the Nissan skyline

Yes, they remember the Alamo.

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 17:11:39 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344606#post344606 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344606#post344606 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOCWUgwiWs ]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:43:00 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344605#post344605 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344605#post344605 the Australian motor industry having run out of buyers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZSSYqHYjxY

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:39:58 +1200 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344601#post344601 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344601#post344601 Bunch of folks chilling at Hardware cafe, Titirangi. V8 Torana cruises past, throbbing, yellow, shiny as hell. Fat chick in a black wife-beater and not much else hangs out the passenger window. Full bull roar: "You're all a pack of fuckin cunts!" Vroom, schreech, gone.

Good times!

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 16:05:05 +1200 JacksonP https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344600#post344600 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344600#post344600 A Bogan politician would then be an oxymoron

Tim Shadbolt is indeed an oxymoron.

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:49:37 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344597#post344597 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344597#post344597 Any bogan with there salt, will have contacts with geek tendencys.

Which reminds me, where's Tom Semmens? A guy who seems to practice a form of garage anthropology on his flatmates' proletarian credentials should be cleaning up on this one.

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:14:16 +1200 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344596#post344596 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344596#post344596 conservative ≠ “pathologically racist, misogynistic, homophobic and thick as a bucket of pig shit left out in the sun” any more than bogan does.

Oh, right. Well put. I don't think I was suggesting that. Rather, the opposite. Although you raise an interesting question. What _do_ you call those people?

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:11:22 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344591#post344591 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344591#post344591 I think you’re showing your age.

Yeah, I must admit, I’m pretty old. Not to dispute your original point, as Rich said:

but it was (and is) a qualification for metalheadery

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:47:15 +1200 Sofie Bribiesca https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344587#post344587 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344587#post344587 Peter Tait made a short film that started in our Garage in Ponsonby back in 2002/3. Came out in 2004.
It was called Bogans

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 13:05:32 +1200 jeremy stewart https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344584#post344584 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344584#post344584 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:47:22 +1200 Rich of Observationz https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344581#post344581 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344581#post344581 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:31:30 +1200 Judi Lapsley Miller https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344576#post344576 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344576#post344576 I don't have the requisite Metallica qualification (came on board with the Black album), but can I cross credit my Iron Maiden, or is that too middle class?
I don't remember anyone using the term bogan back in Hawke's Bay in the early 80s, and the metal de jour was…

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:55:02 +1200 BenWilson https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344575#post344575 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344575#post344575 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:43:40 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344551#post344551 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344551#post344551 Bogan = jet skis, surely?

What some surfers disparage as "goat boats". I may be wrong, but I've tended to take a fondness for that kind of dismissive jargon as an indicator of boganhood in itself. Like affirming one's appreciation of proper motorcycles by dissing trailbikes as "chook chasers".

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:12:28 +1200 Alfie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344548#post344548 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344548#post344548 Real bogans I,ve known, (including one with a doctorate), don’t seem to get with offshore sailing like I do. They seem to do motor boating, but not sailing.
Bogan = jet skis, surely?

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:49:50 +1200 Craig Young https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344546#post344546 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344546#post344546 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:46:07 +1200 Nick J https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344543#post344543 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344543#post344543 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:32:40 +1200 Soon Lee https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344540#post344540 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344540#post344540 So good luck to Labour, or to any other political party, but before you chase the Bogan vote you have to prove the worth of politicians in general first.

So Labour, and all the other political parties *should* chase the Bogan vote, and they should do so by proving the…

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:15:32 +1200 william blake https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344537#post344537 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344537#post344537 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:00:50 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344533#post344533 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344533#post344533 My limited understanding of boganry is that in order to qualify for full status under those parameters one had to have jumped on that bandwagon at any point up to and including …And Justice for All (1988)

Anyone applying later than the release of New Zealand number #1 “The Black…

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:36:33 +1200 Rich Lock https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344532#post344532 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344532#post344532 Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:28:23 +1200 Tze Ming Mok https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344531#post344531 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344531#post344531 in the 80s and 90s…Metallica

I think you're showing your age. Even in the 90s there was this thing called 'listening to the back catalogue'. Well into the 90s I bewildered my 4th form science teacher by making the whole class listen to Master Of Puppets then fill out questions…

]]> Fri, 24 Jul 2015 06:39:56 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344519#post344519 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344519#post344519 Real bogans I,ve known, (including one with a doctorate), don’t seem to get with offshore sailing like I do.

Unlike regular beachgoers they used to be famous for putting their jeans on to go swimming.

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:43:31 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344515#post344515 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344515#post344515 My limited understanding of boganry is that in order to qualify for full status under those parameters one had to have jumped on that bandwagon at any point up to and including …And Justice for All (1988)

Another is knowing off by heart all the past models of any Aussie-built…

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:03:08 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344512#post344512 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344512#post344512 in the 80s and 90s…Metallica

My limited understanding of boganry is that in order to qualify for full status under those parameters one had to have jumped on that bandwagon at any point up to and including …And Justice for All (1988)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU_ggFovJNo

Anyone applying later than the release of…

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:34:18 +1200 Joe Mahoney https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344510#post344510 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344510#post344510 I don’t know why people don’t just say ‘white working class’ instead of ‘bogan’. They obviously don’t want any other kind of bogan.

Fuckin' word.

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:33:47 +1200 Craig Ranapia https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344508#post344508 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344508#post344508 Therefore: "conservative proletariat." If votes are emotive, it's the "conservative" part that wins the vote. Fuck proletariat.

Um, OK... You know, conservative ≠ "pathologically racist, misogynistic, homophobic and thick as a bucket of pig shit left out in the sun" any more than bogan does.

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 21:21:10 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344498#post344498 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344498#post344498 Love of metal is not the criteria here for Trotter and others suddenly excited about this concept.

Cos, everybody hates a tourist...
https://youtu.be/zI3UfxyIdgs

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:19:09 +1200 Tze Ming Mok https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344494#post344494 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344494#post344494 What happens when a bogan turns out to be Chinese and then buys a house? True story.

Growing up in working class Roskill in the 80s and 90s, even the Samoan kids loved Gn’R, Zep and Metallica, so, you know. But we don’t count as the ‘bogan vote’, especially if…

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:54:09 +1200 Steve Barnes https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344493#post344493 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344493#post344493 I just hope its nothing like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toar2yyLXDo

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:48:00 +1200 SHG https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344492#post344492 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344492#post344492 I think someone needs to wheel Colonel Trotter back to the drawing room and top up his brandy before he embarrasses him--

whoops

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:22:29 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344478#post344478 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344478#post344478 I'm a Bogan and I have a doctorate.

You got a license to give 'em arseholes.

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 16:56:41 +1200 Sacha https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344469#post344469 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344469#post344469 Comrade Trotter is becoming increasingly desperate as the world evolves past the comfortable certainties of his distant youth. People who object to racist dogwhistling from Labour are tools of our Chinese overlords, apparently.

Pffft.

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:50:49 +1200 Dave Snell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344464#post344464 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344464#post344464 Argh I swore I wouldn't read the comments and yet here I am. Hi Judi, you're quite right. What I meant was "If they choose not to do a doctorate". Because similar to your point, I'm a Bogan and I have a doctorate.

Cheers for the comment.

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 15:03:20 +1200 James Littlewood* https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344462#post344462 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344462#post344462 I'm not a bogun. But I live in west Auckland, and I know what it is to have a front yard full of former cars. And I see in the streets of Glen Eden and Henderson and Kelston and Helensville a fair bit of what Dave's talking about here.

It's…

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:54:41 +1200 chris https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344461#post344461 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344461#post344461 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErXbMB9R5-0 ]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:44:31 +1200 Judi Lapsley Miller https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344451#post344451 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344451#post344451 The Bogan woman has already read what I’ve previously written and made a mental note to tell me to make proper reference to their gender next time. Um Yes :-). And I do take some exception to the idea that bogans don't get doctorates – some of us grew up… ]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 14:18:41 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344432#post344432 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344432#post344432 A real bogan or a real intellectual?

Whichever it is, I'd bet Chris Trotter would rate it as the sublime one-hand-clapping response of a Waitakere zen master.

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:54:37 +1200 Jeremy Andrew https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344430#post344430 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344430#post344430 Um . . . if they're the real thing they'll do that fart trick with their armpit?

A real bogan or a real intellectual?

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:48:21 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344422#post344422 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344422#post344422 Are bogans really that homogenous and undifferentiated as a social group? What about neo-bogans, quasi-bogans, wannbe-bogans, faux bogans, bogus bogans, used-to-be-a-bogan?
I'm picturing a row of wig stands in the ensuite adjoining Dr. Bogan's office, with mullets of varying cartoonishness. Those otherwise standard perusing-document-at-desk or fetching-tome-from-shelf shots can be fine-tuned…

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:16:36 +1200 Bart Janssen https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344421#post344421 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344421#post344421 a Bogan sees a politician as having no redeeming value to society

They are not alone

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 12:08:51 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344415#post344415 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344415#post344415 sleigher....
used-to-be-a-bogan?
surely back sliding bogans on the skids would be toboggans!

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:59:46 +1200 Geoff Lealand https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344413#post344413 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344413#post344413 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:55:06 +1200 Ian Dalziel https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344410#post344410 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344410#post344410 a thorny problem...
Next someone will be getting upset about the prices of Auckland's 'bogan villas', cue – more media westie wisteria...

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:54:17 +1200 Kumara Republic https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344409#post344409 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344409#post344409 Gareth Hughes had a bogan phase once. ]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:54:07 +1200 Rob S https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344401#post344401 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344401#post344401 What happens if you tell a bogan they are a public intellectual?

Like an old school AB's try scorer walking stolidly back to half-way you'd know that people know what you've achieved without having to do anything more. Your mates would know you for what you are and leave it…

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:38:11 +1200 Joe Wylie https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344397#post344397 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344397#post344397 What happens if you tell a bogan they are a public intellectual?

Um . . . if they're the real thing they'll do that fart trick with their armpit?

]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:33:33 +1200 bob daktari https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344396#post344396 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344396#post344396 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:17:32 +1200 Paul Campbell https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344395#post344395 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344395#post344395 Tremain ]]> Thu, 23 Jul 2015 11:07:37 +1200 Russell Brown https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344394#post344394 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344394#post344394 Thu, 23 Jul 2015 10:49:04 +1200 Public Address https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344393#post344393 https://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/speaker-what-i-learned-in-class-should-labour/?p=344393#post344393 Discussion from blog post.

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