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  • jon_knox,

    That last post might make more sense after checking out the mediagora site.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • Mark Harris,

    <quote>rather than an edit button, I'd like the preview function to scan the thread to see if anyone has posted any links contained in your comment, as a comment previously. (in which case it let you draw emphasis to the original post)<quote>

    Nice idea! CactusLab, are you listening?

    Can we have both? And a pony?

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Yeh, an editable pony.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Yeh, an editable pony.

    Man. Deja vu.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Yep, too many tabs open..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Mark Harris,

    My tabs have got strawberries on them, man. Oh wow............

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report

  • jon_knox,

    BBC's media show ( mp3) for the week talks about the possible merger of the UK's Channel 4 & (publically funded) Channel 5 (Commercial). A few interesting insights into the mindset of a content provider.

    Then more relevant to this thread is the discussion of Facebook terms changing, dealing with the licensing of any info/data users submit.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • jon_knox,

    as a point of clarification re the facebook story...funny/bung that it was info/data that people shared and facebook attempted to claim the rights to.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    ewww...this sort of thing must sting ARIA and APRA

    The chief songwriter and producer of Australian dance music group Sneaky Sound System says digital music piracy isn't a major problem for popular artists because the vast majority of earnings come from playing live shows.

    Angus McDonald made the comments at a launch event for Nokia's Comes With Music bundles. From next month the package will give people unlimited free music downloads from the Nokia Music Store for 12 or 18 months when they buy a Nokia phone.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • jon_knox,

    Just been checking out the Kiwi Foo vids. Damian Conway seems to have a good understanding.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • Mark Harris,

    I just blogged on the nature of copyright, if anyone's interested.

    Constructive comments welcome ;-)

    (no surprises for anyone here, I think)

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report

  • Rob Stowell,

    New ideas on the copyright/"everything is free now" front: of Montreal's Skeletal Lamping attempts to combine artworks and music in a range of packages- you can buy tee-shirts and wall decals and lampshades- and they include a code to the digital download.
    On the packaging, Barnes explains:

    "The goal of the Skeletal Lamping Collection is to expand the perception of music packaging beyond traditional flat, square artwork. The album exists in seven different packaging formats: CD, LP, T-shirt, tote bag, button set, paper lantern, and wall decals. Each Item in the Skeletal Lamping Collection includes both the digital album and its unique packaging of the album art. Ideally, every object you bring into your home should feel exceptional to you, otherwise, it just adds to the clutter and chaos of your life. We feel, theres no reason to produce another object that just sits on a shelf. We only want to produce objects that have functionality and can be treasured for their singularity. Objects that can transform a room, bend the mind and inform your dreams."

    of Montreal's website has a range of live video, and there's a link from the wiki page to download audio of a gig that appears to be legitimate.
    Is this desperate or realistic? Certainly a creative approach- and well-priced products and music.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2120 posts Report

  • Mark Harris,

    I think this would probably fall into robbery's category of "selling t-shirts" ;-)

    Personally, I think it's part of the new business paradigm: RtB + CwF =$$$$

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report

  • Mark Harris,

    For those in London interested in such stuff, James Boyle (author of The Public Domain) is giving a lecture on 10 March

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report

  • jon_knox,

    For those in London interested in such stuff, James Boyle (author of The Public Domain) is giving a lecture on 10 March

    cheers Mark. I'll head along and enquire if they would like to make a podcast available.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • jon_knox,

    actually the organisers are already making a podcast available...and the book is available for free, with people encouraged to buy it if they enjoyed it.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • Rob Stowell,

    the book is available for free, with people encouraged to buy it if they enjoyed it

    And that's pretty close to the new business paradigm: publish and hope. Pay if you feel charitable.

    I think this would probably fall into robbery's category of "selling t-shirts"

    Mark, if you're thinking of a new career as robbery's spokesperson, you'll need sharper analogies and a more discursive style. ;-)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2120 posts Report

  • jon_knox,

    the preface of James Boyle's book seems worth a read.

    This book is an attempt to tell the story of the battles over intellectual property, the range wars of the information age. I want to convince you that intellectual property is important, that it is something that any informed citizen needs to know a little about, in the same way that any informed citizen needs to know at least something about the environment, or civil rights, or the way the economy works. I will try my best to be fair, to explain the issues and give both sides of the argument.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • Mark Harris,

    And that's pretty close to the new business paradigm: publish and hope. Pay if you feel charitable.

    Which people are, it seems, if they think your product is worth it. And I doubt that Yale University Press would have published hard copy if they didn't think they'd make any money on it.

    if you're thinking of a new career as robbery's spokesperson, you'll need sharper analogies and a more discursive style.

    Heaven forfend! :-o

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report

  • jon_knox,

    Presentation from Cory Doctorow - Freedom and technology: who's the master? 86 mins available as audio & video.

    Eplores technology as an agent of transparency.

    Belgium • Since Nov 2006 • 464 posts Report

  • robbery,

    I saw an interesting article on the news today not specifically copyright but relating to culture and a societies ability to appropriate it as they seek to do with fixed term copyright lengths.
    privately owned items which once belonged to Gandhi (sandles, watch pray bowl glasses etc) were auctioned for $3 million. The auction had earlier been criticised in India where many see the items as part of their national heritage and fit for a museum, not a private collection.

    should a nation re appropriate its perceived heritage or should they buy it?
    an interesting situation. a private buyer won the auction and says he intends to give them to his country. it could have played out differently.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    should a nation re appropriate its perceived heritage or should they buy it?
    an interesting situation. a private buyer won the auction and says he intends to give them to his country.

    I dunno, but I think what the Chinese did was quite brilliant.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • robbery,

    I dunno, but I think what the Chinese did was quite brilliant.

    still an ak punk on the inside.
    slightly different scenario though. the chinese items were stolen property. I'm not sure if the gandhi ones were.
    assuming legitimate ownership, how do you feel about re appropriation?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    I'm thoroughly in favour of returning stolen bits and pieces and have yet to hear an argument why not that works for me. I wandered around some of the great museums of NY last month pondering the scale of the theft implied. More power to the Chinese / Greeks / Indonesians / Vietnamese / Egyptians etc. It's one of the colonial wrongs the west in particular has yet to sufficiently recognise.

    Legitimately owned items, assuming it's documented and /or they've been sold by someone who had the right to do so, are another matter.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • robbery,

    are another matter.

    agreed.
    care to elaborate?

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

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