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  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Watching Brownlee on the TV the other night

    Yeah, my thoughts exactly, plus to say he understood because his house is in the orange zone too. I thought he should have said "my other house",seeing as he has 2.
    I am hearing from others though, of daring ways to gain access and thought one will have to be innovative to get around the thugs running this uncompassionate operation.
    Geez! At want point do the people get put first? Or are they all casualties? And if 2 goldfish bloody survive in the rubble and the rat stories infesting the red zone are running all over the rubble (talking thousands by now) why cant people enter at their own risk? Sign a waver? .

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

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  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    At want point do the people get put first?

    But they are being put first.
    The powers that be are merely protecting us from ourselves, we don’t want a spate of broken fingernails or grazed knees do we? You might be ok if you were a Goldfish but we know how fragile people are. When I were a kid we used to play with Mercury on the classroom benches in science class, these days it would require a Hazmat team on standby and a mass evacuation. In fact I remember a lesson where the teacher used a beaker of oxygen and a glowing spill to light his Pipe that he constantly puffed on during lessons.
    Personally I feel that the blanket exclusion of building owners and occupiers goes beyond safety and security, call me a conspiracy theorist if you must but hey?
    If the exclusion is in place for the protection of property it has failed miserably, in terms of protecting life and limb we will never know.
    Or is it all about ACC protecting its investment and the carving up of valuable real estate for the chosen few?

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

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  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    . . . why cant people enter at their own risk? Sign a waver? .

    It's been mooted more than once, and instantly rejected on we-know-best safety grounds. In the meantime the lurking sense of philistinism, of which the wanton destruction that Ian described is a disturbing symptom, shows no sign of lifting.

    This argument for CERA to return the City Art Gallery as a cultural centre is starting to make a lot of sense. Without concerted backing, though, it seems likely to be almost instinctively rejected. The insecurity of those - or should it be he - who are empowered to make such decisions can seem astounding at times.

    Further to what Ian said, there really seems to be a huge amount of wastage in the demolition process. While people were lucky to escape with their lives from structures such as the recently demolished DTZ building, like most large buildings the policy appears to be to destroy without attempting to salvage the contents. While there are no doubt practical reasons for this, a hell of a lot of stuff has been trashed.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    I see the central-city clean-up as part of the pioneer hangover mind-set of dominating the natural world: "Quick. Clean it up now. Nasty, nasty mess." See, if we chuck all the rubble in a big heap at Burwood then we can start again and make a nice new city. Or can we? I find the time-frames the powers-that-be are officially espousing just absurd. It's geological time man, not a quick fix year or two; god knows when this seismic sequence will stop.

    The waste of fine demo materials distresses me too. I watched the giant diggers tear through our local supermarket and thought sadly of all the long-run corrugated iron they just trashed while my house could do with a new roof.

    I do like the cardboard cathedral though. It could sit next to the giant diaphragm in Hagley Park. Then imagine if Ohakune would give us their giant carrot.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Hebe, I thought you were serious for a moment about the cardboard cathedral.
    Our dear Mayor isn't called sideshow for nothing.

    We do need to look at the National take over of our land (ECAN) and now our City.
    At times I want to rush the baracades. The truth is looting is going on at will today or rather tonight.
    The real money has been taken to Auckland by the CERA Cartel.

    Anyone got an analysis on the destruction of Kobe by central Govt?

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Shifting this over from the science/complicated thread. Bart is answering every thing over there.
    Just trying to think of a workable plan to help Cantabrians with the clusterfuck I am hearing about.

    Harm from loss of life is easy to emotionally grasp, harm from loss of income is harder,

    Still, if the demo crew are pulling down buildings left right and centre, plus police are protecting this barricaded zone, why cant they assist people in if their premises are scheduled for destruction?.Let them in ,have the army assist removal of possessions, and recognise that each place to be destroyed gets priority for the shop/business owner. I would suggest it would be totally cost effective,sensible, compassionate, I could go on but I should move it over to other thread. Bart, you are relieved of your responsive duties. :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Sofie, one of the things I find really hard to understand is that my accountant’s place and records (including my tax returns, and evidence of previous payment) is in a demolished building in Salisbury Street __and she cant get back into it!__ever

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Islander,

    Is there anyone she has files for, that works in Council? See if they can wrangle an entry as I know access is granted if they need you. It is, as always in this country, who you know. I’ve heard quite remarkable stories of how others have got in. As soon as the authorities need you, the heavens open.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    I'll suggest that to Ann - but, savvy (tho'overwhelmed) person+ she is, I'm sure she's checking+ every possibility-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    I can't think of an office building on Salisbury St still standing. Most were around the Salisbury, Montreal & Victoria Sts cnr. Access would have been through CERA - you had no show of getting in.
    Ironsides & Vic Aprtments are still standing but off limits. The fruit shop and a few cafes are open.
    Victoria St and most everything south of Peterborough St is "unknown" land status or in more scientific terms - there be dragons.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    No doubt at the behest of his minders, Mayor Bob goes for the caring 'n sharing image.
    Nice baby-seal -before-the-club-descends expression in that pic.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Shame about that baby seal moment but, he has exposed the Government for not funding legal representation, and that image is perfectly chosen as it makes me wonder if he is intentionally kicking the Government where the sun don't shine.
    By not funding these people but funding Pike River people, and then Bob stepping up, it's almost spurious ;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    By not funding these people but funding Pike River people, and then Bob stepping up, it's almost spurious ;)

    It's a symptom of the bizarre factional political struggles that appear to be happening in these parts right now. Hopefully someone has the wider interests of post-quake Canterbury at heart, but you can be certain it ain't poor wee Bob.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Poor wee sideshow Bob

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Sideshow Bob & a three day growth.
    Aroha mai - bad joke.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Just thinking,

    Bur wryly enjoyed-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    those Photons died for your sins...

    Mayor Bob goes for the caring ’n sharing image.

    Looks like Bob is trying for the Michael Lhaws'
    Designer Stubble/Nascent Hipster Beard-look,
    I guess Simpering Simpleton is close enough....

    ....aaah, the unpleasant descent to NightMayor!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7948 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Bobs charm offensive has many causes, but keep in mind his position in the Christchurch City Holdings Ltd who control Vbase & AMI Stadium (now all under CCC control) having 9yr old girls perform as the Calendar Girls (strip club) Cheerleaders.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Sacha,

    Earlier background about Portobello Antiques.

    Sian van Dyk, curator at Te Manawa museum, says Blackler is very well-known for having collected a large amount of New Zealand colonial furniture, and a lot of his antiques have been bought by museums in New Zealand and Australia.

    Portobello Antiques is "not just your run-of-the-mill antiques", she says.

    "[The items there have] real cultural value."

    He is appealing to the Ministry for Culture and Heritage and the Minister of Arts, Culture and Heritage Christopher Finlayson to help.

    A message received from Finlayson's secretary, in response to a request for support, said "the most likely scenario unfortunately is there won't be a great deal we can do - but we'll do our best".

    Crispin Howarth, Curator Pacific Arts at the National Gallery of Australia, said in a letter to Finlayson that "to not attempt to retrieve key objects in Blackler's possession at the property will mean objects of New Zealand's heritage will be wilfully destroyed."

    Too late.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19735 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Hard on the heels of tales of woe, of homes lost and businesses destroyed it's good to know that NZ Metropolitan Trotting Club will not lose out when it comes to demolish the public grandstand at Addington, the structure was insured for close to $13 million and used only on two days a year.
    A bit of a windfall at the races eh?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking,

    Does Ipredict have a gamble on if the CCC will be removed due to corruption?
    I suspect it won't happen purely because no National Party members are implicated, so the law will be let to run its course, this time.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/5400613/Council-initiates-action-to-plug-leaks

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    It’s been mooted more than once, and instantly rejected on we-know-best safety grounds.

    I do think we need to remember that a waiver protects others from legal liability, it doesn't protect them from other liability. If a person goes into a building and gets hurt, we're not exactly going to wave a piece of paper that they signed at them and leave them there to die or crawl out by themselves.

    It may be overzealous, but it should be based on whether the building is safe to enter, not whether the person signs a bit of paper.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking, in reply to Kyle Matthews,

    It's not just science, there are a lot of emotional and scared engineers out there. Not to mention Fletchers er I mean Cera who are paid on tonnage and time.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

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