OnPoint: Sunlight Resistance
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nzlemming, in reply to
Not picking up on false equivalences, and subsequently falling for misdirection.
Fran's not falling for anything. She's part of the misdirection.
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Ianmac, in reply to
Fran O'Sullivan's column today is very, very -ummmm nasty. Similar to what Slater writes but with bigger words.
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krothville, in reply to
Well, you could say that too. But then as well, there are the people critiquing her column apparently accepting her assertion that the two sets of information are equivalent, and governed by the same laws and norms. But they're not. And I see this happen all the time, not just Fran's comment in this discussion, but in the newspapers and TV 'journalism' in this country.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Yes, I wonder if my comment will make it in . She deserved a whack for that one. It is nasty.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
Roughly a million voted for National and another million didn't vote at all. The remainder voted for someone else.
So like I later said, More than Half Didn't Vote for National.
Some people just can't count, exactly half only helps if you want to emulate Dennis Skinner, British MP, otherwise, more than half is a majority. Geddit?. -
Katharine Moody, in reply to
I do wish The Herald would retire the old girl. How could anyone think Fran O’Sullivan at her age had any idea about what the future will/should look like. She reminds me of a vindictive grandma – why, is anyone’s guess. A relic of times well and truly past.
PS I don’t normally do ‘ad hominem’ but given her love for it – I’m sure she’ll appreciate my being so un-polite. Sorry Fran, but it’s just the way it is – you do remind me of a vindictive grandma. Not that I know any other vindictive grandmas – all the grandmas I know (me being one) are loving, caring sorts.
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Anyone considering that, maybe, Labour needs young blood to rejuvenate itself should reflect on the words of Harry Smith of Barnsley at the British Labour Party conference This is why the Labour Party exists. Harry Smith is 91.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
I do wish The Herald would retire the old girl. How could anyone think Fran O’Sullivan at her age had any idea about what the future will/should look like. She reminds me of a vindictive grandma – why, is anyone’s guess. A relic of times well and truly past.
It won't happen anytime soon. She's too valuable to the Auckland country club set for it to happen.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
And her NZ US Council.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Geriatric or treat?
Not that I know any other vindictive grandmas – all the grandmas I know (me being one) are loving, caring sorts.
Welcome to Bolton...
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
It won’t happen anytime soon. She’s too valuable to the Auckland country club set for it to happen.
Indeed. I do find it quite off-putting when I return to Kapiti (a place we used to live) as it is just so noticeable how folks with grey hair outnumber the rest of the population. When you live in a more balanced demographic (as we do now), a return to a more dominant aging population does focus your attention.
My experience of young people is that they all love their grandparents and have a lot of compassion for the elderly, but they don't see the elderly as those with the ideas (or even an understanding or a vision) for the future. Folks of Dotcom's age (i.e., non baby boomers) are the ones they seek out and pay more attention to. The IMP roadshows were chocker full of people who wanted to hear more from KDC than Laila and Hone. What KDCs "pull" gave to Laila and Hone was an opportunity to put forward their message/vision. What the Laila, Hone, Annette and John's need to do is bring the youth of their respective movements to the fore. That's the future.
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I think it's very ironic that the Herald's commenting guideline says:
We aim to have healthy debate. But we won't publish comments that abuse others
Why don't they apply that to their columnists? Although it's significant that the Herald notes that O'Sullivan is "A columnist for the NZ Herald" rather than a journalist.
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Drinnan reminds us how Collins thwarted implementation of the Law Commission's proposals for regulating blogs while busy playing dirty politics through a couple of them.
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
Why don’t they apply that to their columnists? Although it’s significant that the Herald notes that O’Sullivan is “A columnist for the NZ Herald” rather than a journalist.
I also find it ironic that The Herald's online community by a wide majority, don't see it Fran's way either. See the results of this online opinion poll on a the very straight-forward question:
Who do you believe - John Key or Kim Dotcom?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11325032And Fran's corresponding column on the same subject;
Fran O'Sullivan: Key wins - now let's focus on real issues
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/fran-osullivan/news/article.cfm?a_id=13&objectid=11325841She could not have been more wrong .. in accordance with Herald readers, that is.
I assume they keep her on for the newsprint buyers (i.e. her generation).
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BenWilson, in reply to
Folks of Dotcom’s age (i.e., non baby boomers) are the ones they seek out and pay more attention to.
I like to think of us as "X Generation", although the term seems to almost have vanished. Maybe we won't get our whole 20 years of power, but I think we're going to be getting at least 10 from natural attrition, beginning pretty much now.
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CJM, in reply to
Roll on with the paywall for the Herald. I think they're going to find that the online readership will drastically fall away. True, the comments will revert to the true-blue-believers stroking each others egos but the advertisers will be seriously worried. Armstrong and O'Sullivan et al preaching to the converted doesn't strike me as much of a sustainable business model...
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Ianmac, in reply to
Wonder how the columnists are gearing up to condemn the man Mr Cunliffe who they seem to fear so much? David Cunliffe is going to put himself forward for due process for re-election and good luck for that David.
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Meanwhile, across the Tasman...
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
Holy shit (can we say that here?). Why am I not surprised.
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CJM, in reply to
Holy moly!
Can we have a NZ Guardian please? -
nzlemming, in reply to
You find the trust fund...
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I have noticed the guardian has had a lot more NZ coverage since they opened their Aus bureau, so I'm sure that trend will continue. They've hired Toby Manhire (sp?) or have some kind of arrangement with him, though that might have just been for the election. At any rate, I do expect they'll watch NZ events closer, and cover them more.
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Toby worked for the Guardian in the UK, managing their comment pages, I think. Which, well, someone give that guy a medal.
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Ah right, sorry, I thought he was an NZ journo, my bad. That's probably why they asked him to do their coverage, then. Maybe he can get them to expand coverage. I certainly rate the guardian's journalism higher than the print media's here.
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andin, in reply to
From the article:
It requires us to seek truth, whether the truth is ugly and discomfiting or whether it is reassuring and soothing. It requires us to ask questions – a lot of questions – of very powerful people, without fear or favour
Not just journalists have to do this now, its getting to the stage where everyone must consider themselves part of it.
Don't know if most are capable of it. Turning away from sports (the mass entertainment) and taking a good hard look at themselves. And not fall for the soothing platitudes of people like Key.
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