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Legal Beagle: A (non-)submission on the new Arms Amendment legislation

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  • andin, in reply to Pete,

    As a community we keep an eye on each other

    Its how you define your community that can make or break a country.
    I get your point about the police,they can too often turn into a quasi army enforcing clearly dangerous and stupid laws on the larger population at the behest of unscrupulous politicians. (And Im still not much of a fan of Greg O’Connor after all the bull he spouted as police spokesman.) The war on drugs, and the treatment of anti apartheid demonstrators in this country has clearly shown that. And treatment of Maori continues to shown they are not coming to grips very well with racism within their ranks. what can I or anyone say but hope as time goes on improvement comes.

    You live in New Zealand while fellow gun enthusiasts may be your immediate community, the population of New Zealand is yours and all of our larger community. It dangerous to split yourself off from that, not just to others also to yourself.

    Sure the CHCH shooter was an aberration, allowed to get to the situation where he could carry out his acts, in part of because of an unspoken racial bias in the police who issued his licence and they have to own up to that, something they haven t done as yet.
    But we all have to start caring a bit more about our wider community and not split up into sects. This is probably the only time I will use a sporting metaphor. Its not the individuals teams, its the game that is important. Ughh I have to go and wash my brain now. But thats what is important here. Sorry I hope I didnt get too preachy on you.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    First poll on new gun laws: 80% in favour (61% + 19% more who say "should go further").

    You'd have trouble getting 80% of voters to agree that the moon landings really happened. So that's pretty conclusive.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Pete, in reply to simon g,

    Since Apr 2008 • 106 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    I think the intended point was: As predicted, police stations are not secure enough (and/or police procedures not stringent enough) to cope with the increased pressure (in this case, from weird gun collectors gone rogue).
    Though. again, such theft is actual criminal activity, prosecutable under already-existing laws.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1942 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Pete,

    a lot of bunnies down South soon

    Wasn't use for professional pest control an explicit exception?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1942 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to linger,

    amateur pest control on the other hand ..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Sacha,

    ...and most pests are such amateurs, after all...

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1942 posts Report Reply

  • Pete, in reply to linger,

    So now with extra regulation professional pest control will be more expensive to run and the cost will be passed on to the customers/landowners

    Prioritising costs will lead to bunny control being underfunded hence more ecological damage

    I fully accept that the majority has spoken regarding semis - I am sounding like Cassandra because there is a lot of taxpayers money about to go up in smoke because of hastily made and poorly thought out laws

    Since Apr 2008 • 106 posts Report Reply

  • Pete, in reply to ,

    Steven - what?

    That guy wasn't a collector, he was a crim
    What do you have against people who are firearms owners?
    Why do we always get this shit?
    I have less than zero interest in shooting anyone and yes I am aware that I have the tools but I would point out that you could be a rent boy if you wanted and yet presumably you aren't
    You could bend the car towards the school crossing and take out lots of kids and yet you don't, do you Steven?
    Thanks for the inclusiveness pal

    Since Apr 2008 • 106 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Pete,

    pest control will be more expensive to run and the cost will be passed on to the customers/landowners

    Have you been going round the country doing everyones costings again, when you knew the legislation was going to be passed and you wanted the facts to back up your claims? UMM that would be a NO wouldnt it! Cant let the facts get in the way of a good scaremongering!

    Prioritising costs will lead to bunny control being underfunded hence more ecological damage

    Those fucking Victorians introducing those bunnies back in the day. If only they had given a thought to the ecological damage their harmless pursuit of food and sport would bring. Not great forward planners those tweedy chaps EH WOT!

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Prioritising costs will lead to bunny control being underfunded hence more ecological damage

    Farmers don’t kill bunnies for ecological reasons, they do it for commercial reasons, and paying someone to do it properly is a sound commercial expenditure in a real business. I’m still not really seeing the reason why military style assault rifles should be owned by anything other than a very small number of people with a very genuine business reason.

    I’m not getting any kind of feel from you that this is really about pest control. It’s about the right to have those weapons because you like them. I’m sorry, that’s just too bad now.

    ETA: The reason I don't feel like it's about pest control with you is that you only give the laziest of throwaways on that cost, and then all your arguments focus around the lethality of all sorts of other things that have not been banned, which is an entirely different argument. You keep coming back to that, so it's pretty clear that's really your whole actual reason for outrage. You wanted those guns and you don't intend to slaughter anyone, so therefore people owning cars who also don't intend to slaughter anyone is unfair somehow. It's not a good faith engagement, so don't expect inclusiveness.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Pete,

    Yep this is where NZ cleaves into two nations all right

    Y'all know this place is an echo chamber, right?

    Since Apr 2008 • 106 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Pete,

    unlike a rural gun club, naturally

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Pete,

    Y’all know this place is an echo chamber, right?

    We can all rub along together... right?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Pete,

    Yep this is where NZ cleaves into two nations all right

    I would not consider the tiny number of people determined to own military style assault rifles a nation.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    We can all rub along together… right?

    Why shoot, ya'll...

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

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