Hard News: Veitch
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Sunday 19th April 2009
SUNDAY PROGRAMME CANCELS VEITCH INTERVIEW TONIGHTThe Sunday Programme has decided to cancel the interview Cameron Bennett did with Tony Veitch that was going to run on tonight’s show.
“It doesn’t seem fair to Kristen Dunne-Powell or Tony Veitch to air the interview knowing now that it was filmed when Tony was obviously unwell and his state of mind was fragile”, said TVNZ Current Affairs Editor, John Gillespie.
“Cameron Bennett and the Sunday team were upset to hear about Tony last night and agreed to the piece being pulled from air”.
“We would like to pass on our best wishes to Tony for his convalescence and to the Veitch and Dunne-Powell families for the future”.
Nice spin, Mr. Gillespie. Whilst I agree with the decision, I can't help feeling that any non-"celeb" would have a snowball's chance of effecting the same result.
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One of my family who seriously tried suicide, did so after nearly 3 years of severe clinical depression. Was on medication, had counselling, attempted other methods (like walking, and meditation)- but the depression seemed relentless. Decided to die. Hired a motel room (left lavish tip & contact details for afterwards)took sleeping pills, quite an amount of alcohol, filled bath with warm water, cut wrists-
should've worked.
By an odd set of coincidences, estranged spouse talked to workmates that same day & learned partner had not been at work, or communicating, for some time. Drove round small city frantically after partner not at home (this is before widespread cellphone useage) and noticed a familiar vehicle in motel port...
it took another loong year, with much input from whanau & hitherto estranged spouse, but the depression - went away. And there were some happy years before a terminal illness finally ended life.
The one successful suicidee - a cousin I really liked- had had an appalling childhood but had 'got over that' (his words.) Was working as an apprentice mechanic, had a semiserious partner (his words), and a car he truly loved. He drove it at over 100mph (police expert estimation) into the side of a concrete ramp in a remote area. He wasnt drunk (he hated alcohol) or drugged. He had posted a note that day that simply read "Sorry. Too much pain."
The point of these family stories is simply to tautoko Kerry - some suicides are very planned & deliberate & cause pain ever after -but that wasnt the intent- and to agree with Kracklite - there are other kind of suicide-attempts (none i te whanau) I have been quite close to, which (consiously or unconsiously - but certainly not rationally) are cries-for-help/manipulative.
Take a moment to enjoy family/friend closeness; music; food/wine(whatever!); good air - maybe it's salt? Flower-enriched?
Evening bird song. Any beauty about you. Your computer - even if it isnt a Mac :) Kia ora tatou- -
Take a moment to enjoy family/friend closeness; music; food/wine(whatever!); good air - maybe it's salt? Flower-enriched?
Evening bird song. Any beauty about you. Your computer - even if it isnt a Mac :)Indeed.
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</quote>there are other kind of suicide-attempts (none i te whanau) I have been quite close to, which (consiously or unconsiously - but certainly not rationally) are cries-for-help/manipulative.</quote>
One of the very first things I was taught when I worked in mental health: do not feel personally betrayed or deceived, understand that the manipulation is part of the diseased mental state.
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Yup Giovanni -the manipulation isnt rational - even if it may be conscious...do we have *so much* to learn about the ways our brains work?
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Likewise, Giovanni and Islander, seconded and thirded.
Sweeping judgments just aren't going to work. They're not even the bloody point.
And Kerry, if your son doesn't say that he loves you now out of shyness, I'm sure that he does, and will say so soon enough and mean it from the bottom of his heart. And as for your brother, I don't know about your family, but mine being taciturn Scots, we often don't say things and that isn't always good, but then sometimes we don't need to either - so maybe there's something that's implicitly known that just needs a little nudge to bring it out into the open? Best of luck.
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TV really do's have a dumbing down affect.
yeah, most certainly. Also, not so down with conspiracies. It's seems the whole education and socialization machine drive us conformingly to take a gander, to speculate and judge based generally on the standards defined by a justice system rooted heavily in popular current interpretations of the leading religious edicts of the age. So often the more enlightened athiests and agnostics still seem to do nothing to obviate this system of judgement and arbitrary morality.
So for my part as a judge, and speculating ganderer, I'm most shocked that in terms of sentencing Vietch seems to be receiving a lesser sentence than say some gardner guilty of cultivating some psychoactive plant cannabis satiric.
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translated to english "i am not know"
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Take a moment to enjoy family/friend closeness; music; food/wine(whatever!); good air - maybe it's salt? Flower-enriched?
Evening bird song. Any beauty about you. Your computer - even if it isnt a Mac :) Kia ora tatou-sound thoughts Islander. with respect.
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Can we start a campaign for TV3 to can their 60 Minutes programme on this as well? I saw a promo for it last night that looked like a promo for a State of Origin match or something.
Your wish may be granted. The ad for 60 mins appears to have disappeared/changed.
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The more I hear of this Tony veitch story the more I think of Johnny Rotten: Public Image,You got what you wanted,Its the Public Image that alters me,My entrance,My own creation,my grand finally,my good-bye.Public Image
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...and a footnote.
I was discussing anorexia with an ex-friend (someone whom I am glad is in such a category) and he made the crass remark, 'And whose fault is that?'
The damned fool. As if it was a zero-sum game in which the blame had to be assigned somewhere; if it wasn't in one person's corner, the obviously it had to be another. No, not at all. Sometimes keeping score is a way of missing the point.
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How to put satirists out of a job, part 138:
Pail Holmes in the Herald on Sunday:
I will say this too. A radio breakfast guy on a Sunday night is nervous and tense, no matter how long he has been doing the job and no matter how successfully. A radio breakfast man on a Sunday night is getting ready to lose his freedom for five days.
A radio breakfast guy like Veitch, who was struggling with his breakfast job and finding it much more difficult than he had thought he would, as Veitch was at the time, is especially tense on a Sunday night. Sunday night is not a night to have a fight with a breakfast man.
I do not excuse anything in saying this. It is just the way it is.
Unbelievable. Unreal. Except ... it isn't.
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For the record:
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Oh come on. Seriously?
In making his guilty plea, Veitch has made a deal with fate. Not wanting to wait an eternity for justice, he has decided to admit guilt in one instance. In doing so, he can now speak. And also in doing so, he spared the young woman weeks of harrowing disclosure. Her dignity is preserved.
In making the guilty plea, he earns dignity himself. This should not be forgotten.
Uh huh. And apparently the only thing wrong with tampering with evidence is.. getting caught, messily.
I wonder, too, about the wisdom of altering the character references in court. It has merely prolonged the story and left an untidy end.
Loyalty is one thing but just how did this plonker even make it through journalism school?
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Mind you, he does have perfect ethics for a career in politics. Oh look, his column goes on to talk about the new supercity mayoralty..
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Kia ora, Islander, Kracklite for your thoughts. Yeah, my lot are reserved and all kinda twisted up inside, too, with the effort it takes.
Only one more thing to say - it interests me how we respond to the phrase "looking for attention" as in "you're just looking for attention" usually spoken in contemptuous tones. Is it that old kiwi thing of it being virtuous not to seek the limelight still operating?
However someone expresses it, by seeking attention, it surely means they're missing something they need. It may not even be the thing they're fussing about. i still hear parents tell their children not to show off and stop looking for attention. When we all so much need to be attended to.
I think this is a big part of what's making us so fascinated in spite of ourselves in mr Veitch.
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Well, now we know what Holmes thinks eternity is.
2 years. -
I would say this: his performance on Close Up on Thursday night in his interview with Mark Sainsbury, resurrected Tony Veitch. Tony suddenly became the most interesting man on New Zealand television. It was a gripping, edge-of-the-seat watch.
I am quite religious, though not in a churchy sense, and here is what I actually think this whole thing has been about. I think that last year, with Tony on the verge of becoming the major New Zealand television presence, God said: "No, no, Tony. Not yet. There is something that has to be paid for. You have to pay for it and it's up to you to find your way back." I think Tony Veitch will find his way back.
- Paul Holmes
That goes way beyond apologist...
God made him do it?
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Well, now we know what Holmes thinks eternity is.
2 years.One does rather feel as though one has endured several eternities of Holmes.
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Holmes is not an apologist: he really thinks what he thinks is what ANZ thinks.
Holmes is kore, passe, gone, hadit- -
And yet still infesting our screens and newspapers..
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For MUCH less than his kind of eternity I trust-
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I am quite religious, though not in a churchy sense, and here is what I actually think this whole thing has been about. I think that last year, with Tony on the verge of becoming the major New Zealand television presence, God said: "No, no, Tony. Not yet. There is something that has to be paid for. You have to pay for it and it's up to you to find your way back." I think Tony Veitch will find his way back.
- Paul HolmesThus saith one of the anointed, signalling his intention to, once a sub-eternal period of penance has passed, offer a hand-up back into the tacky Valhalla.
Between this and Jack Ross's icky "poem" linked to earlier, the vast spectrum of towering smugness generated by the Passion of the Veitch is truly a-fucking-stounding.
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Holmes:
Bozhe moi!
Simon, I see - as Tom Lehrer said when Kissinger got a Nobel Peace Prize, satire is redundant.
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