Hard News: The Real Threat
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Sacha, in reply to
the new story
Idiot/Savant notes Carter first claimed that records were requested but not supplied, and now supplied but not requested.
Henry claims that he never requested those records, and had instead been seeking records of Ministers. But its hard to see why they would have been supplied except in response to a direct request. Interestingly, last week Carter said they were requested. Given that he's now changed his story twice, I'm not sure we can trust him to be telling the truth now.
I can't see how Datacom could accidentally pull Vance's phone records as well unless she was specifically named - by whoever in Parliamentary Services manages their ongoing relationship. What a shame someone can't OIA the service request.
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Sacha, in reply to
how rarely the initial denial is followed up by the reporters to whom it is given
You'd think given recent history they would learn to treat everything said to them by politicians or their staff as a well-planned lie needing further questions and verification. #tame
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
It's a simple tradeoff between accuse or access, innit?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Idiot/Savant notes Carter first claimed that records were requested but not supplied, and now supplied but not requested.
And now Dunne has said without qualification that Henry told him he was requesting his phone records so he could compare them with Vance's. There's no other way way to read that than that Henry was also seeking -- and got! -- Vance's phone records.
The only way it could get worse is if it were to emerge that the PM's office has had a larger than role than hitherto supposed.
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nzlemming, in reply to
I can’t see how Datacom could accidentally pull Vance’s phone records as well unless she was specifically named – by whoever in Parliamentary Services manages their ongoing relationship.
I can't see why a journalist - any journalist - would use Parliament's phone system rather than his/her own cellphone. Are Parliament running their own cell site and logging all the calls?
What a shame someone can’t OIA the service request.
Yes. Isn't it? It's a huge hole in the OIA that the Parlaimentary offices are not included.
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OK, after a few false starts, it's finally available as a T-shirt print.
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nzlemming, in reply to
As a mate said on Facebook:
If you've got nothing to hide, can I have your curtains?"
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BLiP,
John Key’s GCSB lies . . . to date:
Iain Rennie came to me and recommended Fletcher or the GCSB job
I told Cabinet that I knew Ian Fletcher
I forgot that after I scrapped the shortlist for GCSB job I phoned a life-long friend to tell him to apply for the position
I told Iain Rennie I would contact Fletcher
for 30 years, or three decades, I didn’t have any dinners or lunches or breakfasts with Ian Fletcher
I did not mislead the House (14)
I have no reason to doubt at this stage that Peter Dunne did not leak the GCSB report
I called directory service to get Ian Fletcher’s number
the new legislation narrows the scope of the GCSB
The GCSB has been prevented from carrying out its functions]] because of the law governing its functions
because the opposition is opposed the GCSB law ammendments, parliamentary urgency is required
the increasing number of cyber intrusions which I can’t detail or discuss prove that the GCSB laws need to be extended to protect private enterprise
it was always the intent of the GCSB Act to be able to spy on New Zealanders on behalf of the SIS and police
National Ltd™ is not expanding the activities of the GCSB with this new law
cyber terrorists have attempted to gain access to information about weapons of mass destruction held on New Zealand computers
the law which says the GCSB cannot spy on New Zealanders is not clear
the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was an isolated incident
first I heard I heard about Kim Dotcom was on 19 January 2012
first I heard about the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was in September
I did not mislead the House (6)
I won’t be discussing Kim Dotcom during my Hollywood visit.
The Human Rights Commission couldn’t get its submission on the GCSB legislation in on time.
it would cost too much for the police and SIS to carry out the spying on New Zealanders that this new legislation will permit
critics of the GCSB legislation, including the Law Society, the Human Rights Commission, and the Privacy Commission are all uninformed
we do not spy on journalists
I wasn’t aware that my own Chief of Staff was instructing Parliamentary Services to hand over information concerning journalist Andrea Vance
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David Hood, in reply to
I can’t see why a journalist – any journalist – would use Parliament’s phone system rather than his/her own cellphone
I wasn't really following it, but on the radio news this morning, someone from the parliamentary press gallery said something like "having to use a Parliamentary Services supplied phone they pay rental on" and from the context it sounded like they were talking about a cellphone.
I am deeply curious about what the actual communications relationships are.
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a minor cavil...
Memo to radio & print journalists and some politicians:
Please note it is correctly the Parliamentary Service
not Parliamentary Services - a technicality perhaps
but important legal cases can be lost on details and technicalities.Accuracy and attention to detail are important for both
journalists and politicians, not just lawyers and accountants.Its creator Sir Geoffrey Palmer always gets it right!
</pedantic quibble>
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Paul Campbell, in reply to
John Key's GCSB lies . . . to date:
BLiP: check out how to make a link here at the bottom of the page
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Russell Brown, in reply to
BLiP, that's a good set of links, but please be aware that we don't support real HTML in this forum. The formatting codes are below every composition box.
It took me a while to untangle it all ...
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Sacha, in reply to
It's a huge hole in the OIA that the Parlaimentary offices are not included
deliberately made that way by our politicians.
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Sacha, in reply to
accuse or access
and the pendulum swings acording to the mood of the politicians and media over time
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Another wrinkle courtesy of ZB gallery reporter Felix Marwick:
@PeterDunneMP now says Henry Inquiry was aware of cell ph calls he'd made despite never asking for his cell ph call records
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Brilliance by Scott Yorke, collating David Farrar's tireless speaking of truth to power over ... the Electoral Finance Bill.
The current constitutional outrages? Er, not so much ...
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Eh, isn't it rather that one lesson of the Vance affair is that Parliamentary Service isn't OIA-able for this precise reason?
(That the business of Parliament requires a degree of confidentiality that doesn't sit well with the presumption of openness in the OIA.)
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Sir Geoffrey Palmer said on air today that he wanted it to be 'OIA-able' but was defeated by Cabinet.
Listen here (mp3) -
Ian Dalziel, in reply to
(Un)Official Merchandise Of The GCSB
You could take it into a whole other league with
The GCSBW...
</fifth tackle, here's your ball back>
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Just for fun, here are the posters I used on my Tri-placard© at Saturday’s march in Chchch…
The printed ones didn’t have the digital disturbance and artefacts, they happened when I exported them from FreeHand, but I think they add to the concept nicely – feel free to share and use them as you wish, if you wish…apologies to IRD, Frasier and Shepard Fairey
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Keir Leslie, in reply to
Yeah, Sir Geoffrey would have (and Cabinet would have overruled him.) But I just don't think that the Parliamentary Service is the same kind of thing as the public service, and I just don't think that the OIA (as it stands) is a good oversight mechanism.
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Sacha, in reply to
Parliamentary Service isn't OIA-able for this precise reason
that was the argument, yes. Privileges Committee should be able to unravel this - if all its members cooperate.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
How do we break through the profound apathy of the "If you have done no wrong then you have nothing to hide, Jack" brigade?
Exactly but I wonder how many of that brigade stand by JK"s secret deals with Sky City or Warner Bros.
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What a curious article. On the one hand:
Major international syndicates all appear on the top 20 criminal target lists of Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Britain and Canada. "The results were telling," Clare said. "We are all targeting the same people."
Funny these particular five countries would be listed...
And then, of course, the usual "the internet is the portal to Hell" technophobia.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
“If you have done no wrong then you have nothing to hide, Jack”
...JK"s secret deals with Sky City or Warner Bros.and the TPPA for that matter.
Wotcher trying to hide there, John?
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