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				<title>ChrisW</title>
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						<p><q>Looks like an old IBM punch card...</q></p><p>It does indeed, but it seems I can no longer read the code. <br />Perhaps something like +FU2, +FU2 ... ?</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						Someone mentioned John Key and Keyholes earlier...
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Main St façade looks a little sinister</q><br />Looks like an old IBM punch card...<br />Maybe it's a DOS house!</p>
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				<title>ChrisW</title>
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						<p>Some late sun warms the colours a little, but the delicate little tree just emphasises the monolith.</p><p>A dog-shaped robot? Loyal to which master?</p><p>[Having a little first-hand experience, I inferred the architecture under the cosmetic changes to be a work of late 1970s brutalism from the Ministry of Works…</p>
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						<p>Back lurking in the spying lane, perhaps it is agreed that Main St façade looks a little sinister?  I noted the symmetry of spiky bits tucked under the wings – ti kouka/cabbage tree on the right, but what’s that on the left?</p><p>Ah, NZ Police comms, all is clear.  The…</p>
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						<p>My attention attracted in the first instance by this distant view of maximally contrasting towers over the roof-tops.  (The other striking and strikingly anaemic one proving to be the spire of St Patrick’s RC Cathedral of the Holy Spirit.)</p><p>Prominent on entering the town via the Napier Road = Main…</p>
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				<title>ChrisW</title>
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						<p><q>The NSA does. In Utah.<br />Telecom does. In Christchurch and 19 other sites around NZ.<br />Telecom's information technology subsidiary Gen-i has today unveiled its new $10.5 million Christchurch data centre.<br />The new data centre would add to a combined network of 14 other Gen-i data centres and five Revera Homeland…</q></p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Ooops. That pesky point getting in there and dividing everything by 10.<br />That should read 75 billion.<br />Anyone would think I worked at Treasury making a mistook like that.<br />"So, is that your final figure?. Let's move the decimal point one place to the right, that should do it".</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>Can’t wait for the day when JK tells us that he has solved the balance of payments problem.<br />“Today we intercepted an eMail from Nigeria, they will send us 7.5 Billion dollar. all we have to do is send the Governments bank account details and just $30 million to show…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 11:05:33 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>Utah Stains!</strong><br /><q>The NSA does. In Utah.</q><br /><a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/9035447/10-5m-data-centre-for-Christchurch" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Telecom does.</a> In Christchurch and 19 other sites around NZ.<br /><q>Telecom's information technology subsidiary Gen-i has today unveiled its new $10.5 million Christchurch data centre.<br />The new data centre would add to a combined network of 14 other Gen-i data centres and five…</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 14 Aug 2013 07:12:05 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q> who needs pesky rooms of computers?</q></p><p>The NSA does.  In Utah.</p><p>[[http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/14/nsa-utah-data-facility|Welcome to the Utah Data Center, a new home for the NSA's exponentially expanding information trove. The $1.7bn facility, two years in the making, will soon host supercomputers to store gargantuan quantities of data from emails, phone calls, Google…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 21:19:24 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						I believe Android has an app for that now, who needs pesky rooms of computers? the Prime Minister can do it all from his Samsung Galaxy S4.now.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 13 Aug 2013 12:26:07 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>no, they're gonna let the machines decide!</q></p><p>Another one for fans of 1970's schlocky dystopian future type stuff:</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus:_The_Forbin_Project" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Colossus: The Forbin Project</a></p><p>First ten minutes here:</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQjebwUrhvc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQjebwUrhvc</a></p><p>The press conference from 6.20 onwards makes very interesting watching, given current events.  I also remember watching this as a pre-teen, and being…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>PS: this was interesting in the <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10910701" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Herald</a> at the weekend:<br /><q>The ability for US intelligence agencies to access internet data was used as a bargaining tool by a Telecom-owned company trying to keep down the cost of the undersea cable from New Zealand.</q></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2013 23:26:43 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>I'm sorry Barack, I can't let you do that...</strong>*<br />Not to worry the NSA won't let pesky humans and their foibles and scruples get in the way, no, <a href="http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/08/10/nsa-cum-skynet-future-snowdens-will-be-replaced-by-computers/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">they're gonna let the machines decide!</a><br /><q>“What we’re in the process of doing – not fast enough – is reducing our systems…</q></p>
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				<title>DexterX</title>
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						A healthy democracy needs a wide range of dissenting views &ndash; this bill will be used to silence, discredit and curtail dissent.  It will be a mechanism used by governments to retain power – presently we have a government that is run in a virtual policy vacuum, which acts as…
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>The software does. These things are never implemented in ASIC, they’re always done in software.</q></p><p>You can't control hardware if it isn't even there. There is no onus on any manufacturer of Android phones to put this IR thing into the camera, or any other feature for that matter. They…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>core business...</strong><br /><q>Apple has a focus on gaining market share...</q><br />Luckily <a href="http://news.techeye.net/business/obama-protects-apple-from-thermonuclear-war-backlash" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Apple is Obama's 'bitch'</a> (or vice versa)...<br /><q>President Barack Obama has said that every time Samsung wins a court case he will veto the decision. So far he has not said what will happen every time Apple beats the…</q></p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>Yes, and also they don’t control the hardware anyway.</q></p><p>The software does. These things are never implemented in ASIC, they're always done in software.</p><p>As for corporates outnumbering individuals, that's not necessary. Apple has a focus on gaining market share in business, which is why they provide superb "fleet" management…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>taken to the gleaners...</strong><br /><q>By manipulating users into giving away their privacy instead of intimidating them into doing so, a big chunk of the NSA’s job has already been done for it.</q><br />...and by putting all kinds of surveillance systems into cities, ostensibly as part of 'Sensing Cities' schemes,  see…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q> Google can’t implement shit like this in secret because there are a dozen companies and hundreds (if not thousands) of individuals looking through the code of every release of Android to find undocumented features which can be hooked into to make a better user experience.</q></p><p>Yes, and also they don't…</p>
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						<p><q>If that means implementing a technology that keeps the Feds happy in order to become preferred supplier to government, they’ll do it in a heartbeat, because that sells it to CEOs and CEOs sell it to IT who then sell it to the whole company.</q></p><p>That is rather predicated around…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						It's all the more of a let-down because companies as big as Google and Apple are big enough to stand up to the NSA instead of getting into bed with it. Then again, getting into bed with the NSA probably means megabucks. By manipulating users into giving away their privacy…
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						It’s hard to tell. I have pretty much zero faith that Apple will do anything that’s not a dick move just because the alternative <em>is</em> a dick move. They’ll do anything that’ll cement their iron grip over their users while growing market share. If that means implementing a technology that…
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						I don't disbelieve that they'd patent the idea, but they haven't put either of those patents into use, have they?
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q>So I do find it hard to believe they would really put it in.</q></p><p>Why so disbelieving? <a href="http://www.tuaw.com/2011/06/20/apples-infrared-camera-kill-switch-patent-application-hits-a/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">In 2009</a> Apple patented a way to block photos being taken through the use of an infra-red signal being transmitted to their phones. They’re definitely interested in finding out ways to disable their…</p>
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						If that's true, it would just be a reason not to buy an Apple. There is quite literally no reason for anyone to want that feature in their device, and a lot of reasons to not want it. So I do find it hard to believe they would really put…
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 21:26:27 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>It seems Apple has <a href="http://news.techeye.net/security/apple-patents-tech-to-let-cops-switch-off-iphone-video-camera-and-wi-fi#ixzz2bIiBCEKq" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a solution to pesky unwanted digital recording</a> and filming...<br />...and <em>I</em> thought <em>they</em> were on <em>our</em> side!</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p>John Key's official theme song.<br />"If I find them I'm going to kill them, It was not me it was my friends"<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDHFq-cV0g" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDDHFq-cV0g</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Aug 2013 10:52:30 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<a href="http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/criminalizing-privacy-u-s-government-forces-snowdens-encrypted-email-service-to-shut-down/57481/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">US closes encrypted mail service</a> that Snowden used...
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10907972" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This is worrying news</a>. At the time I felt the police were massively overreacting, but it would seem they went even further down that path.
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						<p>Thanks for posting that Paul:</p><p><q>They mentioned that they do this about 100 times a week. And that 99 of those visits turn out to be nothing.</q></p><p>I don't know which is more troubling; armed US agents visiting 5000 household annually or 50 searches per year turning up 'something'.</p>
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						<p><q>Random is statistically impossible as the input will always out-weigh the output. </q></p><p>Rich's comment aside, perfect randomness is not required. Random enough adds enough complexity to make it secure.</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<p>You need <a href="http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/usb-hardware-random-number-generator/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">one of these</a>. Also, the "pwgen" or similar command will make a selection of random but typable passwords for you.</p><p>And yes, the entropy key will make pwgen more random, on a suitable system.</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>I suspect the red spot tagged as being in NZ is really sitting on NZ in general and implies that theres some peering spot somewhere (or some spots) where they have this equipment installed (like the prism in the fibre in the AT&amp;T exchange in SF).</q></p><p>Oh, you mean Spy Valley...?</p>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p><q>Don’t trust that to be secure! If you must DIY your cryptography, at least generate your own random keys!</q></p><p>Now, there's a thing. Random is statistically impossible as the input will always out-weigh the output. ie. there will always be outside influences, like... the name of your first dog as…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>MWD....gag...</p><p>Lysdexic.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>He’s our very own ‘Blurter’</q></p><p>Y'know, if we rearranged those letters, we could turn him into our very own butler. Except we'd have an extra r. He's not of Southland or Beijing origins, is he? Cos I think butlerr would work just as well, and I rather prefer the idea…</p>
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						<p>Russel Norman reports:</p><p><q>The new information we forced Key to release this afternoon. shows that the PM’s office had access to the full Emails between the journalist Andrea Vance and MP Peter Dunne, without their consent. Link below.<br />Backgound: On Thursday in the House I forced Joyce to admit to…</q></p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>good point</q><br />My thoughts, too...<br />He's our very own 'Blurter'</p><p>Alistair MacLean was so right<br /><em>Fear is the Key!</em><br />(or was it Yoda)</p>
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						<p><q>Husband googles “back pack”, wife googles “pressure cooker” …. spooks appear at their door</q></p><p>News Flash: A prominent rock guitarist was earlier today investigated by authorities on suspicions of paedophilia. The authorities justified their investigation from the following sentence found on a Web forum he frequented: “I snapped a G-string…</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10906795" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Good point</a>.
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<p><q>from the bunker beneath Parliament</q><br /> [[https://dimpost.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/dimpost-profile-john-key/|These old caves are spooky. I wish we’d stayed up in the office.</p><p>Key: This is more private. Besides, I rather like it. The dark . . . the silence. Helen told me these caverns extend for miles but I’ve never taken the time to…</p>
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						<p><q>It’s our job to be fear’ Mr Key said, from the bunker beneath Parliament</q></p><p>Billboard?</p><p>Just Relax Ian. They're watching out for you.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>MWDs…</q><br />Men With Delusions?</p><p><br /><q>"In New Zealand there are people who’ve been trained for al-Qaeda camps who operate out of New Zealand, who are in contact with people overseas, who have gone off to Yemen and other countries to train.</q><br /><em>from that Herald article</em></p><p>I suspect he is talking truthfully……</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Husband googles "back pack", wife googles "pressure cooker" .... <a href="https://medium.com/something-like-falling/2e7d13e54724" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">spooks appear at their door</a>
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						<p><q>PM Key has stated that Alan Kayda is present within some trained NZ residents.</q></p><p>And not long before that, Annie Thracks got a surprise visit from the authorities.</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>Where and what ARE those MWDs mentioned as being around here?</q></p><p>MWDs.... umm.... Mollycoddled Wastrel Delinquents?</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10906592 " target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> PM Key has stated that Alan Kayda is present within some trained NZ residents</a>. Don't we have armed anti-invaders all decked out in Black ready to go into battle to disarm and annihilate them at the drop of a hat? Surely, if their information is so water tight I…
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Y'know, I think you just hit on precisely the problem. Suddenly we're all suspect (I don't know anybody in Yemen, but I do know people who've been to Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Myanmar, North Korea, Sudan.... and people from a whole variety of places.... and members of political parties not overly…
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>Farrar has your answer, on Danyl’s post – outsourcing. A beautiful parallel to getting the GCSB to spy on behalf of the SIS. Different accountabilities you say? What could possibly go wrong?</q></p><p>#tui</p>
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						<p>Surely monitoring these ‘small numbers of radicals’ entails monitoring those communications from everyone-who are for whatever reason-in contact with them.  This revelation affects far more than just those training with AQ,  communication being what it is. </p><p>Anyone here with friends, family, coworkers ‘training’ in Yemen?</p>
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				<title>Amanda Wreckonwith</title>
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						<p>Oh well. Back to being bitter then.<br />This subversion lark is so complicated nowadays &ndash; whatever happened to a good old rally and a Molotov cocktail or two...</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q>Still wondering if it would work. </q></p><p>Basically, no. They have all the other information to match with, which cuts past the noise.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Farrar has your answer, on Danyl's post &ndash; <a href="http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2013/08/01/i-am-never-right-about-these-things/#comment-94462" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">outsourcing</a>. A beautiful parallel to getting the GCSB to spy on behalf of the SIS. Different accountabilities you say? What could possibly go wrong?
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						Something that occurred to me a few minutes ago. If Key ordered that Ministers be investigated, why was the Parliamentary Service involved at all?  Ministers are served by Ministerial Services, an arm of DIA (largely outsourced). The have separate email addresses (e.g. <span id="x-protectfilter-1"></span><script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/if (document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1') != null) { document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1').innerHTML=function(e){var r='';for(var i=134;i>=0;i-=2){r+=e.charAt(i);}return r;}('\u003e\"a1/b\u003cUz5nv.YtovToFgy.tsorpext4srijnwiAmc@vyHe\u003eka.fjV\u003e8\"SzYnj.5tPv0omgD.6sRrAeXt0sriwnuitm\u003c@TyreakK.8jd:BomtylgiIaWm9\"2=Tfce@rWhs Yav\u003cV'); document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-1').removeAttribute('id'); }/*]]>*/</script>) which they use, as I know from…
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Would this 'gum up' the Utah facility and make it redundant?</q></p><p>It's a reason they are now more interested in mapping who you communicate with, rather than what words you use.</p><p>Metadata..</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						Wow, is <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10906592" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">David Shearer finally trying to be Leader of the Opposition</a>? A bit harsh of me, I know, but his comments in this article were quite refreshing to read.
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Oceania has always been at war with democratic freedoms.
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						Um oh look, over there, terrorists! (pay no attention to the GCSB behind the curtain) ...
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>maybe we’ll have worked out that the ‘war on terror’ is also largely ‘virtual’</q></p><p>Or perhaps we'll have worked out that it is very real, but we need to do a little rectification of names and call it the “war on democratic freedoms".</p>
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				<title>Amanda Wreckonwith</title>
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						<p>Echelon bait seems to date from 1999 &ndash; todays public response may be a tad greater after recent NSA revelations.<br />Still wondering if it would work. Any takers...</p>
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				<title>Amanda Wreckonwith</title>
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						<p><q>When, as a result of our internet activity, we are all implicated as potential subversives, who then will the ‘War on Terror’ be directed against</q></p><p>maybe we'll have  worked out that the 'war on terror' is also largely 'virtual'</p>
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						<a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/8987091/I-m-angry-at-my-records-being-released" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Fairfax's Andrea Vance goes ballistic</a>.
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						well  roll  on IPV6 static IPs and crypto for all
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				<title>Michael Homer</title>
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						<p><q>As Kirk observes, getting SSL hosting means getting a non-shared IP address, and that frequently costs. The bigger cost, though, is getting the SSL certificate.</q><br /><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Server_Name_Indication" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">SNI</a> lets you do SSL virtual hosting and works in most browsers now &ndash; basically only Internet Explorer on Windows XP is out. Lately certificate…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>EVERY internet user would be implicated in the “war on terrorism”<br />Would this ‘gum up’ the Utah facility and make it redundant?</q></p><p>We'll drain their data crystals. But that might leave us vulnerable to the Faceborg!</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><q>It’s very common for web hosting to share multiple sites from a single IP address, what’s called “name-based hosting”</q></p><p>Which seems to get a few perfectly harmonious sites blocked in China because they share hosting with something the lads in Zhongnanhai would rather we aren't allowed to see, just in…</p>
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				<title>Matthew Poole</title>
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						<p><q><br />Oddly, when I connect to <a href="https://publicaddress.net" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://publicaddress.net</a> it tries to use a certificate for www.simpsongrierson.com and then redirects to <a href="http://publicaddress.net." target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://publicaddress.net.</a><br /></q></p><p>I don't think anyone has explained why this is happening, so here goes:<br />It's very common for web hosting to share multiple sites from a single IP address, what's called "name-based…</p>
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				<title>Tim Michie</title>
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						Um, would that be <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Taste_of_Armageddon" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A Taste of Armageddon</a> when <q>the crew of the USS Enterprise visits a planet whose people fight a computer simulated war with a neighboring enemy planet. The crew finds that although the war is fought via computer simulation, the citizens of each planet have to submit…</q>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<a href="http://slashdot.org/story/99/10/18/1419245/october-21-is-jam-echelon-day" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Echelon bait</a>. Comes into fashion every few years,
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				<title>Gary Young</title>
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						<p>Interesting notion. It recalls an old Star Trek episode where two opposing nations fight a 'virtual' war, firing 'virtual' missiles at one another using giant computer simulations.</p><p>Our bold Cap. Kirk puts a stop to this by hitting the Big Red Button; detonating all the missiles at once and 'killing'…</p>
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				<title>Amanda Wreckonwith</title>
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						<p>Just an idea...<br />Could an app be developed that inserts random 'incriminating' phrases into ALL our emails/tweets/facebook posts? If every concerned citizen were to do this, it would not take long before EVERY internet user would be implicated in the "war on terrorism"<br />Would this 'gum up' the Utah facility…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>theres some peering spot somewhere (or some spots) where they have this equipment installed</q></p><p>Whenuapai is probably a good bet.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>...not only are they worried about competition in the spying biz but they’re also worried that their own spying would be compromised.</q><br />I can picture a scenario where the bulk of the traffic might be multiple bulk feeds, of the same data, through various government agencies and other corporations legal…</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>The latest NSA from  The Gaurdian I assume the New Zealand server is misplaced a little, unless it really is in Queenstown.</q></p><p>More important is the claim that they are basically recording all TCP sessions, recognising the SMTP (email) ones, reassembling the packets into emails and storing them indexed into…</p>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p><q>Or perhaps encrypt pictures of kittens.</q><br />A Kitty Letter.....</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Murder is on the cards</q><br />Stone the crows!</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p>The latest NSA from <a href="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"> The Gaurdian</a><br />I assume the New Zealand server is misplaced a little, unless it really is in Queenstown.</p>
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				<title>Rich Lock</title>
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						<p><q>Well, what a hairy surprise, not. It seems that it never occurred to the economic geniuses that, when you encourage globalisation and a global economy, it affects every part of global existence including crime.</q></p><p>Have a read of Micha Glenny's 'McMafia' book sometime if you want exactly this in detail,…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p><q>What a curious article. On the one hand:</p><p>    Major international syndicates all appear on the top 20 criminal target lists of Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Britain and Canada. “The results were telling,” Clare said. “We are all targeting the same people.”</q></p><p>Well, what a hairy surprise, not. It…</p>
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						<p><q> Or perhaps encrypt pictures of kittens. Lots of really big pictures with keys just long enough that they could be cracked by wasting a few hours of some computer’s time out there.</q></p><p>Steganography, with junk data! I think I have a new hobby ;-)</p>
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				<title>andin</title>
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						<p><q> There’s a small but catastrophic chance that kittens might end up being </q><br />Funny you should say that... Murder is on the cards</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>Actually I’ve just realized this a terrible idea.</q><br />aha! the classic paws for thought...<br />;- )</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						Actually I've just realized this a terrible idea. There's a small but catastrophic chance that kittens might end up being considered terrorists, and Gareth Morgan would get his evil way.
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						I think it would be a nice form of protest, too, might lighten up the day of the agents dedicated to looking for terrorists, to see more kitties.
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				<title>Aidan</title>
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						KITTEH-CRYPT!
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<p><q>A simple form of this is to use a book known to both parties then assigning numbers to reference page, line and word.</q></p><p>Don't trust that to be secure! If you must DIY your cryptography, at least generate your own random keys!</p><p><q>Well any way, perhaps we should all start…</q></p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p>Gb or rkgen fnsr, V'z tbvat gb rapelcg guvatf gjvpr.</p><p><br />See, now extra secure.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						Jrypbzr gb Jrfgjbeyq, vaqrrq!
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				<title>Aidan</title>
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						<p>Tbbq vqrn!</p><p>Jung pbhyq cbffvoyl tb jebat?</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q> luckily the crypto cat is out of the bag and we can all find our own secret large primes.</q></p><p>I was thinking about this the other night, about encryption and cyphers.<br />The simplest form of encryption could be considered is assigning a number to the letters of the alphabet, like…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>“If you have done no wrong then you have nothing to hide, Jack”<br />...JK"s secret deals with Sky City or Warner Bros.</q><br />and the TPPA for that matter.<br />Wotcher trying to hide there, John?</p>
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				<title>Chris Waugh</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&amp;objectid=10905708" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">What a curious article</a>. On the one hand:</p><p><q>Major international syndicates all appear on the top 20 criminal target lists of Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Britain and Canada. "The results were telling," Clare said. "We are all targeting the same people."</q></p><p>Funny these particular five countries would be listed...…</p>
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				<title>Steve Barnes</title>
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						<p><q>How do we break through the profound apathy of the "If you have done no wrong then you have nothing to hide, Jack" brigade?</q></p><p>Exactly but I wonder how many of that brigade stand by JK"s secret deals with Sky City or Warner Bros.<br />Double standards or what?.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>Parliamentary Service isn't OIA-able for this precise reason</q></p><p>that was the argument, yes. Privileges Committee should be able to unravel this &ndash; if all its members cooperate.</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Yeah, Sir Geoffrey would have (and Cabinet would have overruled him.) But I just don't think that the Parliamentary Service is the same kind of thing as the public service, and I just don't think that the OIA (as it stands) is a good oversight mechanism.
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Just for fun, here are the posters I used on my Tri-placard©  at Saturday’s march in Chchch…<br />The printed ones didn’t have the digital disturbance and artefacts, they happened when I exported them from FreeHand, but I think they add to the concept nicely – feel free to share and…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><q>(Un)Official Merchandise Of The GCSB</q><br />You could take it into a whole other league with<br />The GCSBW...<br /></fifth tackle, here's your ball back><br />;- )</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p>Sir Geoffrey Palmer said on air today that he wanted it to be 'OIA-able' but was defeated by Cabinet.<br />Listen <a href="http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20130731-0908-phone_records_handed_over_during_gcsb_investigation-048.mp3" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a> (mp3)</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						<p>Eh, isn't it rather that one lesson of the Vance affair is that Parliamentary Service isn't OIA-able for this precise reason? </p><p>(That the business of Parliament requires a degree of confidentiality that doesn't sit well with the presumption of openness in the OIA.)</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Brilliance by Scott Yorke, collating <a href="http://www.imperatorfish.com/2013/07/he-delivers-and-how.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">David Farrar's tireless speaking of truth to power</a> over ... the Electoral Finance Bill.</p><p>The current constitutional outrages? Er, not so much ...</p>
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						<p><a href="https://twitter.com/felixmarwick/status/362312137659518977" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Another wrinkle</a> courtesy of ZB gallery reporter Felix Marwick:</p><p><q>@PeterDunneMP now says Henry Inquiry was aware of cell ph calls he'd made despite never asking for his cell ph call records</q></p>
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						<p><q>accuse or access</q></p><p>and the pendulum swings acording to the mood of the politicians and media over time</p>
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						<p><q>It's a huge hole in the OIA that the Parlaimentary offices are not included</q></p><p>deliberately made that way by our politicians.</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>BLiP, that's a good set of links, but please be aware that we don't support real HTML in this forum. The formatting codes are below every composition box.</p><p>It took me a while to untangle it all ...</p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p><q>John Key's GCSB lies . . . to date:</q></p><p>BLiP: check out how to make a link here at the bottom of the page</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>a minor cavil...</strong><br />Memo to radio &amp; print journalists and some politicians:<br />Please note it is correctly the Parliamentary Service<br /><em>not</em> Parliamentary Services &ndash; a technicality perhaps<br />but important legal cases can be lost on details and technicalities.</p><p>Accuracy and attention to detail are important for both <br />journalists and politicians, not…</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						<p><q>I can’t see why a journalist – any journalist –  would use Parliament’s phone system rather than his/her own cellphone</q></p><p>I wasn't really following it, but on the radio news this morning, someone from the parliamentary press gallery said something like "having to use a Parliamentary Services supplied phone they…</p>
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						<p>John Key’s GCSB lies . . . to date:</p><p>Iain Rennie <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8500427/Spy-boss-got-job-after-call-from-PM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">came to me and recommended Fletcher</a> or the GCSB job</p><p>I <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&amp;objectid=10879399" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">told Cabinet</a> that I knew Ian Fletcher </p><p>I forgot that after I scrapped the shortlist for GCSB job <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8500427/Spy-boss-got-job-after-call-from-PM" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">I phoned a life-long friend</a> to tell him to apply for…</p>
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				<title>nzlemming</title>
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						<p>As a mate said on Facebook:<br /><q>If you've got nothing to hide, can I have your curtains?"</q></p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p>OK, after a few false starts, it's finally available as a T-shirt print.</p><p><a href="http://www.cafepress.com.au/kumararepublic/10273961" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">(Un)Official Merchandise Of The GCSB</a></p>
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						<p><q>I can’t see how Datacom could accidentally pull Vance’s phone records as well unless she was specifically named – by whoever in Parliamentary Services manages their ongoing relationship. </q></p><p>I can't see why a journalist &ndash; any journalist &ndash;  would use Parliament's phone system rather than his/her own cellphone. Are Parliament…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Idiot/Savant notes Carter first claimed that records were requested but not supplied, and now supplied but not requested.</q></p><p>And now Dunne has said without qualification that Henry told him he was requesting his phone records so he could compare them with Vance's. There's no other way way to read that…</p>
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				<title>Trevor Nicholls</title>
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						It's a simple tradeoff between accuse or access, innit?
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p><q>how rarely the initial denial is followed up by the reporters to whom it is given</q></p><p>You'd think given recent history they would learn to treat everything said to them by politicians or their staff as a well-planned lie needing further questions and verification. #tame</p>
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						<p><q>the new story</q></p><p><a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/spying-on-journalists-iii.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Idiot/Savant notes</a> Carter first claimed that records were requested but not supplied, and now supplied but not requested.</p><p><q>Henry claims that he never requested those records, and had instead been seeking records of Ministers. But its hard to see why they would have been supplied except in…</q></p>
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						<p><q>Which is quite compatible with: he was spied on, we know it, but we’ve destroyed all the evidence…</q></p><p>Speaking of which, Halliburton has just been pinged big time for <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/8969170/Oil-giant-destroyed-spill-evidence" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">destroying evidence relating</a> to the Deepwater Horizon disaster.</p>
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				<title>Aidan</title>
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						<p><q>As is ’there is no evidence Jon Stephenson was spied on”. Which is quite compatible with: he was spied on, we know it, but we’ve destroyed all the evidence…</q></p><p>Very Yes Minister-esque, e.g. "There is no evidence Jon Stephenson was spied on .. we've made quite sure of that".</p><p>Gets…</p>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p><q>As is 'there is no evidence Jon Stephenson was spied on". Which is quite compatible with: he was spied on, we know it, but we've destroyed all the evidence...</q></p><p>One of the games played in our household at the moment is "With what technicality can this denial be true, while…</p>
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				<title>Rob Stowell</title>
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						<p>Definitely fishy!<br />As is 'there is no evidence Jon Stephenson was spied on".  Which is quite compatible with: he was spied on, we know it, but we've destroyed all the evidence...</p>
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				<title>Steve Reeves</title>
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						<p>Well, naturally he blames someone else...</p><p>A minister always takes the salary, but never the responsibility. </p><p>Thank goodness for outsourcing, I say!</p>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p>Quote from Stuff<br /><q>In response to written questions last week, Carter said a request from investigator David Henry for Vance's phone records had been declined.</q><br />and once he'd "accidentally" got the records<br /><q>Henry immediately returned the records without viewing them and made it clear he had neither sought nor wanted…</q></p>
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				<title>Alastair Thompson</title>
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						Illegal stuff happens accidentally these days, apparently rather a lot.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>From <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8981153/Phone-records-given-to-inquiry" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Stuff</a>:</p><p><q>Henry had been called in by Key to investigate an unauthorised leak to Vance of a report on the Government Communications Security Bureau.</p><p>It has previously been confirmed that Henry was provided with electronic records tracking Vance's movements in the parliamentary complex.</p><p>Carter said today he became aware…</q></p>
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				<title>Graeme Edgeler</title>
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						<p><q>Answers to questions from Russel Norman indicate that Parliamentary Services DID hand over Andrea Vance’s phone records to David Henry.</p><p>How and why were we told otherwise in the first place?</q></p><p>The information I saw in the media suggested it was a contractor. However, there are a great many reasons…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p>Just breaking ...</p><p>Answers to questions from Russel Norman indicate that Parliamentary Services DID hand over Andrea Vance's phone records to David Henry.</p><p>How and why were we told otherwise in the first place?</p>
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				<title>Aidan</title>
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						<p>The devil is in the detail. Another good article from arstechnica</p><p><a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/what-the-ashcroft-hospital-showdown-on-nsa-spying-was-all-about/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/what-the-ashcroft-hospital-showdown-on-nsa-spying-was-all-about/</a></p>
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>heh &ndash; it's usually more a response to "why don't you do this on line?" &ndash; if they were that smart they'd probably realise that continually asking that question probably wasn't particularly encouraging of their long term future job prospects.</p><p>Seriously though telling someone at the bank "there's a hole…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						I'm sure the bank teller will have taken your comments on board. All bank tellers  are educated to at least MSc level in the design of cryptographic systems, as well as their training in finance and economics. It's amazing many of them look so young after 14 years at university..…
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						I see Anonymous <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnoEso4S_sc" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">has taken down a bunch of Nat web sites</a> &ndash; I bet there will be lots of gnashing of teeth, outraged people complaining about evil organisations hacking into people's website ....  completely unaware of the irony
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						If they did that, they'd give themselves away to the first person who wanted to dig deeply (e.g. by obtaining the (imaginary?) publicaddress.net SSL certificate via a side channel, like visiting Russell and asking for it on memory stick and then comparing it with the one the site is serving…
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>yeah what we really need is a secure, decentralised, easy key distribution system &ndash; as you point out currently it's a pain </p><p>The problem is that the current centralised system takes care of much of what we need quietly behind our backs but it provides a single point of failure…</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>Meanwhile back in the trenches .. <br />A good friend of mine,  a senior journalist, is running his own backlash campaign , this from his email <br />" What I am seeking is an agreement that we will all, with effect from Monday August 5, copy  <span id="x-protectfilter-2"></span><script type="text/javascript">/*<![CDATA[*/if (document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-2') != null) { document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-2').innerHTML=function(e){var r='';for(var i=134;i>=0;i-=2){r+=e.charAt(i);}return r;}('\u003e\"a1/b\u003cUz5nv.YtovToFgy.tsorpext4srijnwiAmc@vyHe\u003eka.fjV\u003e8\"SzYnj.5tPv0omgD.6sRrAeXt0sriwnuitm\u003c@TyreakK.8jd:BomtylgiIaWm9\"2=Tfce@rWhs Yav\u003cV'); document.getElementById('x-protectfilter-2').removeAttribute('id'); }/*]]>*/</script> into every email we send.…</p>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p><a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/07/29/can_apple_and_google_be_trusted/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.salon.com/2013/07/29/can_apple_and_google_be_trusted/</a></p><p><q>“Strongly encrypted data are virtually unreadable,” NSA director Keith Alexander told the Senate earlier this year.</p><p>Unless, of course, the NSA can obtain an Internet company’s private SSL key. With a copy of that key, a government agency that intercepts the contents of encrypted communications has the technical ability…</q></p>
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						I don't disagree &ndash; but making life difficult for the spooks by requiring them to do much more intrusive things (like demanding certs or backdoors into web sites) rather than just sitting there quietly and reassembling our packets and interpreting them in their own paranoid ways (think of it as…
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				<title>Jarno van der Linden</title>
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						<p>https does not hide what website you are communicating with, only the data sent between you and the site.</p><p>It should also be remembered that government and government-controlled organisations are in the trusted certificate authority lists of your typical browser. That means that they can redirect your internet traffic through…</p>
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						<p><q>I agree with Martin ’s observation that https isn’t s, not so much because of the other end of the cloud, but because the security of the system depends on the independence of the root certificate authorities.</q><br />But the other end of the connection is critical. Encrypting communication is irrelevant…</p>
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				<title>David Hood</title>
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						I agree with Martin 's observation that https isn't s, not so much because of the other end of the cloud, but because the security of the system depends on the independence of the root certificate authorities.
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>good point, yes. </p><p>"Minister hears what suits him"</p>
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				<title>Trevor Nicholls</title>
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						<p><q>Defence Force denies spying on Stephenson. Minister believes them.</q></p><p>Have they actually denied spying on him in any way? The report I heard said they denied any <em>unlawful/illegal</em> surveillance. Given that the legality of what the GCSB et al have been doing is one of the points at issue, y'know....</p>
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				<title>Stephen Judd</title>
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						The deal with treating metadata properly in the legislation is that many people fear that the GCSB currently belives comms metadata &mdash; who calls whom, when, where, etc &mdash; is not classed by them as a "communication", and therefore not subject to the same rules re warrants and oversight etc.…
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						I'd never thought of it that way. The meta-ness of the data is in the eye of the beholder.
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				<title>Aidan</title>
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						<p><q>a safeguard not available with warrantless mass surveillance</q></p><p>Yep. Which was my point, but poorly made.</p>
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				<title>Martin Brown</title>
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						The English tabloids have done this illegally, and are going through due process of law now.
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				<title>Anthony Behrens Esq</title>
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						<p>A slight aside &ndash; TV3 get it wrong in their reporting of the protest in Palmy...an apology will be broadcast at 6.20  tonight &ndash; <br /><a href="http://swampthing.co.nz/uploads/html/188/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Square Protest</a></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:52:44 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Martin Brown</title>
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						The "s" on the end of hhtps stands for "secure". Thing is, it's not. Nothing is, currently. Which is kind of the point. My facebook says "https". And it patentl;y isn't. By FISA warrent.
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						Defence Force <a href="http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/215610/defence-denies-allowing-spying-on-reporter" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">denies spying</a> on Stephenson. Minister believes them.
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						<p><q>sufficient evidence to convince a Judge that it is appropriate</q></p><p>a safeguard not available with warrantless mass surveillance</p>
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				<title>Alastair Thompson</title>
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						<p>Tried to post this from my mobile phone some brief thoughts, prompted by Toby Manhire's excellent post at The Listener.</p><p>I was discussing this on Twitter:</p><p><a href="https://twitter.com/Zagzigger/status/361664892014567424" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://twitter.com/Zagzigger/status/361664892014567424</a></p><p>Where RussB suggested I check in here.</p><p>Hi!</p><p>I haven't yet caught up but here is my thought.</p><p>We have a secret order…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Bart just want to say thanks for holding this side of the argument</q></p><p>I'm not arguing because I have a strong sense that I'm right &ndash; I hope I'm ... er... trying to discuss what I think is actually a really complex issue. </p><p>I think there is a mixture of…</p>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<p><q>I guess they terminated him.</q></p><p>Or should that be unpersoned by the Ministry of Truth?</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						Bart just want to say thanks for holding this side of the argument , not sure I agree with you but it does make me think .
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				<title>Trevor Nicholls</title>
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						<p><q>There was a chap in the US who did this very thing. He was being watched by the authorities, but he didn't think it was justified, so he published ALL details of his existence online. Can't find it now.</q></p><p>I guess they terminated him.</p>
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				<title>Richard Love</title>
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						<p><q>Why is subjective</q><br />The reason why someone spies might be subjective. But there can be objective differences between the reasons why two different people have spied.</p><p>"Because I want to sell a story to a magazine" is clearly different to "because I want combat a subversive threat to the state".</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Who is doing the spying and why is an objective difference.</q></p><p>Who is objective<br />Why is subjective</p>
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				<title>Richard Love</title>
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						<p><em>There doesn't appear to be an objective measure that defines one spying as innocuous tattle and another as a threat to personal freedom.</em></p><p>Who is doing the spying and why <em>is</em> an objective difference.</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>more defied and mortified or mortar fight?</strong><br /><q>That wasn’t the issue. The issue here is that he had embarrassed defence command.</q><br />And what a fine adult reaction they had, too!<br />I hate to think what they'd do if you offended, or even really pissed them off ...<br />&ndash; Anger Management…</p>
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				<title>Jarno van der Linden</title>
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						Can we please stop with making a distinction between data and metadata? Metadata IS data. Whether or not a piece of data is classified (ha!) as metadata is entirely dependent on the context. If I'm interested in what is said during a phonecall, then for me the phonenumbers are metadata.…
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				<title>Aidan</title>
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						<p><q>Actually one of the striking things about the NoTW etc scandals was that the tabloids did partake of large chunks of nation state-ness (the government-tabloid complex.)</q></p><p>Yes, you're right. I'd argue this is what made it more pernicious, in that the security organs of the state were compromised and so…</p>
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				<title>Keir Leslie</title>
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						Actually one of the striking things about the NoTW etc scandals was that the tabloids did partake of large chunks of nation state-ness (the government-tabloid complex.)
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						<p><q>I’m sorry but I disagree. I think we’ve seen ample evidence of the harm, personal and political, that can be done by a tabloid newspaper. It’s worth noting that some of the media empires have revenues that are equivalent to nation states.</q></p><p>You don't have to be sorry, but you're…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>And BTW NZDF can't call in a drone strike.</q></p><p>Unless they get their allies to do it for them.</p>
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				<title>Lucy Telfar Barnard</title>
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						<p><q>But if you are happy that anyone can distinguish between jouranlist vs tabloid</q><br />I wouldn't suggest that we distinguish between tabloid journalists and "real" journalists.  I'd suggest that we distinguish between journalists "spying" for the sake of news/tabloid story gathering, and the state spying on its citizens going about their…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>There is literally no comparison to be made between a Nation State and tabloid newspaper.</q></p><p>I'm sorry but I disagree. I think we've seen ample evidence of the harm, personal and political, that can be done by a tabloid newspaper. It's worth noting that some of the media empires have…</p>
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						PS. If anyone says 'nothing to hide' just challenge them to write to IRD and waive their right to tax secrecy in perpetuity.
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p><q>Most papparazi don’t get to steal your telephone metadata</q></p><p>No they just record the entire conversations &ndash; or had you forgotten the recent events in Britain.</p><p>Don't get me wrong I think the NZDF failed completely when they chose to target Jon Stephenson, who has a record of fair and…</p>
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				<title>Aidan</title>
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						<p><q>Instead it’s the intent that makes the difference.</q></p><p>And power. There is literally no comparison to be made between a Nation State and tabloid newspaper.</p>
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						<p><q>and which the GCSB’s stooge Inspector-General regards as “arguably” legal</q></p><p>This is an important point. For an agency whose oversight is secret, how can a counter-argument be made? In this case an Inspector-General has a duty to ensure that all actions are <strong>scrupulously</strong> legal. We should all have a pony…</p>
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				<title>Ian Dalziel</title>
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						<p><strong>trees company...</strong><br /><q>...that tree is going to be getting Tane Mahuta sized pretty quickly...</q><br />...and thus, quietly that fine July day, the seeds of what is now <strong>The Arbour Party</strong> were broadcast. <br />Rooting well, and deep, in adverse conditions, the global-reign forest grew unnoticed for the trees, until their branches…</p>
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						<p><q>Its the power and intention behind the “spying” that’s the concern</q></p><p>I agree but that is the key difference. There doesn't appear to be an objective measure that defines one spying as innocuous tattle and another as a threat to personal freedom.</p><p>Instead it's the intent that makes the difference.…</p>
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						<p><q>Could we flood the GCSB with a withering array of minutia , recipes , what toothpaste we used this morning, how the asparagus is doing, what the cat bought in and yes how many sheets of dunny paper used per day.</q></p><p>There was a chap in the US who did…</p>
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				<title>Kirk Alexander</title>
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						That is probably the harder part for Russell to change &ndash; SSL certificates can be fairly cheap but for the https site to work reliably in older browsers the publicaddress site would also have to move to its own IP address (and stop sharing with Simpson Grierson). Still wouldn't help…
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						<p>BTW, anyone wanting to OIA the GCSB can do so using FYI <a href="https://fyi.org.nz/new/gcsb" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p><p>(Not driven at all by a desire to see it make 1000 requests this week)</p>
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				<title>Peter Graham</title>
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						<p><q>So the obvious answer to GCSB snarfing all our packets is crypto everywhere &ndash; or HTTPS everywhere &ndash; Russell can we all chip in and buy Public Address a key?</q></p><p>Oddly, when I connect to <a href="https://publicaddress.net" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://publicaddress.net</a> it tries to use a certificate for www.simpsongrierson.com and then redirects to <a href="http://publicaddress.net." target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://publicaddress.net.</a></p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>I will be interesting to see how the internet community kicks back. <br />This site <a href="https://myshadow.org/#" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Me and my shadow</a> is an attempt to educate people on what data can be gather , where and by whom. It leads to a whole bunch of <a href="https://myshadow.org/shadow-tracers-kit" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">tools</a> that promise to help you track your…</p>
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				<title>Richard Love</title>
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						<p><em>How much difference is there between the NZDF spying on Jon Stephenson and a journalist with a telephoto lens spying on a B-list celebrity?</em></p><p>A journalist with a telephoto lens is not an arm of the state.</p><p>And of lesser importance, a B-list Celebrity! Naked! Sunbathing!, is not a journalist…</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<q>Someone also suggested on Saturday at Parliament that we should commit a DOS upon the GCSB through the FOIA &ndash; keep them busy so they're too busy to spy on us &ndash; I for one am dieing to know just how many sheets of toilet paper they have used this…</q>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						<p>+1 Idiot Savant &ndash; <br />Its the power and intention behind the "spying" that's the concern</p>
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				<title>Idiot Savant</title>
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						<p><q>How much difference is there between the NZDF spying on Jon Stephenson and a journalist with a telephoto lens spying on a B-list celebrity?</q></p><p>Most papparazi don't get to steal your telephone metadata, and can't call up a drone strike on you if you offend them.</p>
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				<title>Richard Aston</title>
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						Yeah love the fight back talk Paul. Could we flood the GCSB with a withering array of minutia , recipes , what toothpaste we used this morning, how the asparagus is doing, what the cat bought in and yes how many sheets of dunny paper used per day.
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				<title>Paul Campbell</title>
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						<p>So the obvious answer to GCSB snarfing all our packets is crypto everywhere &ndash; or <a href="https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">HTTPS everywhere</a> &ndash; Russell can we all chip in and buy Public Address a key?</p><p>Someone also suggested on Saturday at Parliament that we should commit a DOS upon the GCSB through the FOIA -…</p>
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				<title>Euan Mason</title>
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						I vacillate between thinking that the NZDF's policy was inevitable and that it is bloody outrageous.  "Both" said Pooh, sagely.  If the law is murky and immoral behaviour saves your ass then those with positions to lose often find easy "justification" for immorality.  We need to ensure that immoral choices…
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				<title>slarty</title>
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						<p>You may have noticed some circumspection of communication from, well, perhaps even contributors to this magnificent endeavour.</p><p>I had an epiphany when chatting to a colleague last week. We were discussing Sir Paul Condon talking about <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/285497.stm" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">institutionalised racism in the London Met</a>. </p><p>The people who work in these services are…</p>
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				<title>Bart Janssen</title>
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						<p>I don't know the answer to this question myself but ...</p><p>How much difference is there between the NZDF spying on Jon Stephenson and a journalist with a telephoto lens spying on a B-list celebrity?</p><p>I think because of the value of Stephenson's work in revealing practices most kiwis would…</p>
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				<title>Peter Martin</title>
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						<p><em>Because that tree is going to be getting Tane Mahuta sized pretty quickly..</em></p><p>Our very close friends, who no doubt help when asked, have a <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/07/24/blueprints-of-nsa-data-center-in-utah-suggest-its-storage-capacity-is-less-impressive-than-thought/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">garden big enough</a>.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:08:41 +1200</pubDate>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>My beloved told me I was being too intellectual…</q></p><p>You probably were. But ... bless.</p>
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				<title>Stephen R</title>
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						<p>Which is why my sign on Saturday said "METADATA MATTERS &ndash; Peter Dunne should know"</p><p>My beloved told me I was being too intellectual...</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Idiot/Savant draws that link with the new spying law's deliberate <a href="http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/a-point-that-needs-making.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">silence on metadata</a>.</p><p><q>But NZDF weren't spying on Stephenson's communications, they were spying on his metadata. While there's no statutory authorisation for that, there's also no statutory prohibition either &ndash; something the Police at least seem to have regard as…</q></p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<p><q>Also, because you host this blog, and we all comment on it, do you think we're in the tree too? </q></p><p>I can tell you you're being harvested daily by a state agency.</p><p>On the upside, that agency is the National Library. So that's cool.</p><p>But the rise of what Kim…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Gordon Campbell offers some <a href="http://gordoncampbell.scoop.co.nz/2013/07/29/gordon-campbell-on-the-defence-forces-paranoia-about-journalism/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">broader cultural context</a> in his post on the topic.</p><p><q>The hostility to investigative journalism is an outcome of the ongoing politicisation of the public service. When parliamentary and departmental staff are driven by the imperative to Protect The Minister From Embarrassment – to the point where…</q></p>
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				<title>The Ruminator</title>
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						I find this all horrifyingly fascinating. After 9/11 we were all prepared to give up some privacy for the feeling of safety, but now it seems we've had enough. It started piecemeal with the airport scanners, but that's given way to this utter shitstorm about our own online privacy. And…
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				<title>Public Address</title>
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