Hard News by Russell Brown

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  • Russell Brown,

    I put a proposal to Auckland City Council a few years back about running FTTH through the sewers, you can guess the response "Too Hard, too dangerous for teh workers, blahh blahh blahh" I was Not the first to come up with this concept.

    What bugs me is that nearly every footpath between Queen Street and my house been dug up and replaced in the past three years -- and no one has appeared to realise that ducting would be an excellent investment.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    And for the strangest of bedfellows, read Bernard Hickey's DomPost commentary, "Why Helen should buy Telecom's network" (26 Sep 2007). Unfortunately, it's no longer archived.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    no one has appeared to realise that ducting would be an excellent investment

    Wonder if that might be improved with the proposed Auckland Transport CCO owning the boundary-to-boundary width of all the region's roading including berms and footpaths?

    I understand multi-service ducting has similar issues to "fibre to the door" - the economic payoff comes mainly through the services delivered, not directly from the underlying infrastructure for whom there is no short-term "customer". Requires long-term ROI that our private sector seem allergic to, hence business advocates like Rod Drury suggesting nationalising the wholesale infrastructure and making it operate on a public good cost-plus basis.

    Snap

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19735 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    and no one has appeared to realise that ducting would be an excellent investment.

    Ant those "No-ones" are the Councils we are fighting to keep. It has been said that this sort of thing won't happen under the New Improved Cleaner Whiter Stronger Righter Supercity.
    I still stand by the idea of fiber in the sewers, and not just AllBran, a sewer, after all, is a conduit. So we could have a conduit within a conduit within a conduit all for the price of two conduits, innit?
    Conduit can be ducting too.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi,

    I put a proposal to Auckland City Council a few years back about running FTTH through the sewers, you can guess the response "Too Hard, too dangerous for teh workers, blahh blahh blahh" I was Not the first to come up with this concept.

    Not that it's a completely terrible idea, but I'm not sure you appreciate how preternaturally capable anyone with a backhoe licence is when it comes to finding and destroying underground pipes. I can just hear the conversations now when they have to send people in to fix them, too: "I'm sorry Mrs Bratwurst, I know you really want to Skype with your granddaughter, but the technicians have exceeded their daily poo exposure index. Call back tomorrow."

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    And those "No-ones" are the Councils we are fighting to keep.

    Not on their own - where's the private sector, or government for that matter? Most of the urban Economic Development Agencies have dark fibre as a priority, but that hasn't necessarily been joined up with other services or the legal/regulatory implications of sharing ducting sorted out.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19735 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Mrs Bratwurst sound like a silly sausage and should not, under any circumstances, be allowed in charge of a backhoe.
    Actually the proposal I made to ACC included the point that Sewers were less likely to be subject to accidental damage than plastic conduit under your average grass berm.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    And another thing...
    I think I'm going with Vector on the fiber rollout, I have shares in them. ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Healthcare for the USA.
    Welcome to the civilised world, guys :)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Healthcare for the USA.
    Welcome to the civilised world, guys :)

    That's a good start.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Healthcare for the USA.
    Welcome to the civilised world, guys :)

    This has been the most maddening thing to watch take shape. Sometimes, the petulant liberals blaming Obama for everything were near as bad as the Republican nutjobs screaming "NO!" at everything that moved.

    Well, actually, they weren't that bad.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Welcome to LolaPelosi
    Obamacare wins the day.
    Who Voted for what
    What it means

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Josh Addison,

    Sometimes, the petulant liberals blaming Obama for everything were near as bad as the Republican nutjobs screaming "NO!" at everything that moved.

    John Rogers has a quote for every occasion:

    Last fall:

    Republicans: Jesus, you're just voting for Hopey McChangey because he's a great speaker and he's promising unicorns and rainbows of change.

    Democrats: How condescending. No, I'm voting for Obama based on his stated policy goals and his deliberative nature. We are, after all, the reality-based community.

    Now:

    Democrats: WHERE THE &#%&@ IS MY GODDAM UNICORN?!!

    Onehunga, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 298 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi,

    Democrats: WHERE THE &#%&@ IS MY GODDAM UNICORN?!!

    Obama is riding it of course.

    (My girlfriend made me buy that t shirt for her during the primaries)

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Democrats: WHERE THE &#%&@ IS MY GODDAM UNICORN?!!

    Obama is riding it of course.

    Can we reach exalted reputation with the Silver Covenant? Yes we can!

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    This has been the most maddening thing to watch take shape. Sometimes, the petulant liberals blaming Obama for everything were near as bad as the Republican nutjobs screaming "NO!" at everything that moved.

    Well, actually, they weren't that bad.

    There was a photo in the press today of a protester holding a sign saying "Vote No, I don't want to be a government slave".

    It really brought home to me the total and utter disconnect not just between what Americans want for their healthcare system, but what they think they're arguing about. The lack of ability to actually communicate and debate the same issue is actually more frightening than the people who really think the market solves everything, even in healthcare. I wasn't sure that was possible.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Lucy: I think the tea partiers know very well what they're arguing about.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    Lucy: I think the tea partiers know very well what they're arguing about.

    Then they are doing their very best to hide all evidence of the fact. Signs like the one I mentioned have gone somewhat beyond hyperbole.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    And while we celebrate this historical achievement with our American brothers and sisters, let us think for a minute of the New Zealanders who would like to us to move in the opposite direction - like messrs Brash and Douglas - so we can rely more on "community and market mechanisms of support".

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Yessss, giovanni! Let us think of Brash, Douglas, Hide and their ilk (wrongful use thereof but-)with a kind of blank screen of extinction in our minds as we do so think of them-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    let us think for a minute of the New Zealanders who would like to us to move in the opposite direction

    One minute before I vomit. From Conservation land right up to Polytechs today,with Spy bases to boot, that's the brighter future to look forward to. At least Goff says Labour will repeal Brownlee's brown eye if elected in 2011.
    I mean seriously, "the land in the Coromandel is at risk anyway" is a pretty poor reasoning behind " I just want gold"

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Sacha, The term 'mobility disorder' is used in this advertisement. I don't know what to make of that?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=EdK2y3lphmE&feature=related

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Hogan,

    Are we actually agreeing that 10Mbits/s is considered a good broadband speed? What we are being asked to pay for this "broadband" is the real issue.. This would be considered a lazy dial up speed in many countries..
    As for ObamaCare, well I think if anyone reads the Bill that finally passed, it may become clear that the compromises to get something through instead of facing claims of a failed presidency have diluted the real effect. It is no accident AIG and the "financial crises" are inextricably linked... Lobbying dollars get the votes. The best democrcacy money can buy!

    Waiheke Island • Since Nov 2006 • 31 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Not to mention legalising whaling, Sofe. I mean, who even wants that?

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I don't know what to make of that?

    The word "suffer" was a clue - but really, I just want one of those machines (and I don't use a wheelchair).

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19735 posts Report Reply

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