Hard News: Te Qaeda and the God Squad
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Meanwhile it would seem that one of the fantasists behind the 75billion scam on the bank of england is also
Archer is no a stranger to controversy and appeared in a recent television news bulletin as one of the hunters who had become suspicious about apparent para- military activity by Maori training in the Urewera National Park.
Witless for the crown?
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That from the Herald here
I did not see the TV news bulletin so have no opinion about it, or its credibility.
But someone part of a group claiming to represent a half-dozen 109-116 year olds with £1000 and £500,000 notes that they wish to exchange with the Bank of England.
I think him more likely to be the victim of a Nigerian scammer rather than the perpetrator of such a thing.
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Gold Brian pure gold
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From page 6
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I've got $10 on Mintos quote coming true - no terrorism charges.
Mr Minto said the police have put an "exit strategy" in place and the terrorism charges will not see the light of day.
As it's Cup Day - Who was playing bookie?
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Anyone want to explain what just happened here - secret Supreme Court rulings?
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Sacha, in reply to
Crown Solicitor's statement about today's withdrawal of most charges.
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exactly - looks like they will be releasing it all eventually
My guess is that the cops crossed some (still secret) line in their evidence gathering - there was a lot of cellphone and texting intercepts going on here, maybe someone didn't get the required warrants? will there be repercussions
quick thought - maybe the terrorism act they were originally charged under allows warrant-less wiretaps, but the rest of our laws don't, and when the terrorist charges fell apart the rest of the evidence turned into a house of cards - that kind of makes the terror law a bit silly you can't use it to investigate things unless you already have evidence of terrorism and in that case you don't need the act to gather more evidence
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(BTW I have no inside knowledge of the case, I'm simply making the sort of speculation that a secret court ruling invites in an open democratic country)
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The Clown Law Office...
today’s withdrawal of most charges.
NZ Police seem to have cornered the market in clowning around in public - their back-pedalling is becoming very accomplished in recent times...
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merc,
The Solicitor-General subsequently ruled out charges under the Terrorism Suppression Act - saying the law was "almost impossible to apply in a coherent manner"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10749743Law makers, FAIL
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
There are no laws AFAIK that allow warrantless wiretaps.
However what I'd suspect them of doing is obtaining initial leads via (illegal) warrantless interception, possibly via another UKUSA state, and then getting a warrant for further activity.
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That would make sense - maybe to keep the chain of evidence they were being required to release who gave them the original information.
I wonder does someone (some foreign entity) have a fibre splitter in our main fibre trunks somewhere? - chances all the country's cell (and landline long distance) communications run on unencrypted ATM circuits up and down the country
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Four years is hell of a long time to have your life in stasis, unable to get a proper job or to travel or to have any number of other freedoms. Justice delayed, justice denied, and all that.
It would not be practical for any such trials to proceed prior to the main trial in February
A cynic would speculate that it would be a bad look to have these trials during the RWC.
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Sacha, in reply to
during the RWC
during the election lead-up, you mean
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Stephen Judd, in reply to
during the election lead-up, you mean
Wasn't Labour was in government during the relevant period? I don't really see how the Nats would be hurt by the fallout.
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Sacha, in reply to
I can't see anyone in rugby circles being hurt, can you?
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Sacha, in reply to
Might force some attention on policy areas that either big party wants to avoid.
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Andre Alessi, in reply to
I wonder does someone (some foreign entity) have a fibre splitter in our main fibre trunks somewhere?
It might still be an effective monopoly here, but it's an open enough network that it is vanishingly unlikely for someone to be able to hide that kind of equipment on the network. Too many people have access to the entirety of the network (including the backbone) and virtually none of them have an interest in keeping quiet about that sort of equipment should they come across it.
Which isn't to say that there aren't other ways of spying on the network, and the Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Act 2004 requires that network operators build some kind of monitoring equipment into their network, but as a rule of thumb the stuff that's out there is pretty rudimentary (mainly because the Act is so vague on technical details.) In practice, the Privacy Act is a pretty good buffer against "fishing expeditions".
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Sacha, in reply to
Echelon is probably sufficient to spy on locals, and our privacy act is trumped by security agencies. I recall mention of the NSA installing their gear into the US ISPs within days after 9/11.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
My guess is that the cops crossed some (still secret) line in their evidence gathering – there was a lot of cellphone and texting intercepts going on here, maybe someone didn’t get the required warrants? will there be repercussions
They obtained the warrants under the Terrorism Suppression Act, and then couldn't use most of the evidence after the Solicitor General declined to approve TSA charges being brought, but said the police investigation had brought to light "some very disturbing activities".
At that point, the police were fucked -- and it's entirely their own fault. They could have obtained intercept warrants under different laws, but they got excited about having a terrorism case.
My view remains that there were things going on that warranted the attention of the police, even if was mostly idiocy. Sadly, they managed to be bigger idiots than the "terrorists" were.
I strongly suspect that if the original police affidavit isn't released after the trials, it will be leaked by someone.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
There are a few alternatives.
The US has satellites that can intercept microwave spillage from fixed links between cell sites. The on-air encryption used by GSM has been cracked allowing eavesdropping on voice/text/data.
And I'm not that convinced that it wouldn't be possible for GCSB to install a "lawful access" box into places like France St that purported to only divert monitored traffic but in fact took a much wider slurp.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
A cynic would speculate that it would be a bad look to have these trials during the RWC.
But, I thought RWC stood for Ruatoria War Crimes...
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Howard Broad has left the building, got his gong and had more shit on others than an Animal Farm to get that far.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_BroadA fool and his charges aren't soon parted.
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Kracklite, in reply to
My view remains that there were things going on that warranted the attention of the police, even if was mostly idiocy. Sadly, they managed to be bigger idiots than the “terrorists” were.
I strongly suspect that if the original police affidavit isn’t released after the trials, it will be leaked by someone
Agreed on all points, but as has been noted here and elsewhere, the police (as a group, culture, what have you) used this as a pretext to crack down on people who were irritants to them, and that has very sinister implications.
(And it’s another reason not to trust Phil effing Goff, who condoned this shit, but that’s another redundantly irrelevant tangential digression.)
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Just thinking, in reply to
That is just too charitable by far IMO.
Some people held firearms without a licence, some were fairly dealt with, others weren't by millions of dollars.
Like this guy:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/462418/Musician-on-firearms-charges-loses-suppression-battleI've not met Bernard or Tama but know people who count each as a friend.
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