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Hard News: Te Qaeda and the God Squad

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  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Russell Brown,

    . It will be interesting to see what the papers do in the morning,

    Herald,

    Seeing that this was the first reason I came to Public Address, I'm glad that the jury saw sense. It would be stupid for the Crown to try again, surely? Waste of, yet again, taxpayers money.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22849 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    It would be stupid for the Crown to try again, surely? Waste of, yet again, taxpayers money.

    In this particular case, I agree with you. But as a matter of general principle I get twitchy when folks use the "waste of taxpayer's money" argument when it comes to prosecutions the speaker happens to disagree with.

    Want to run that line, why not just abolish Parliament, the Police, the courts and pretty much anything that helps maintains a civil society under the rule of law? It would save billions every year, the downside is that you'd end up with a country no sane person would want to live in.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Just noticed that this thread is getting on for a quarter of a million views. Yowza.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22849 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Russell Brown,

    a quarter of a million views

    Take that, NZ Herald :)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    So this must be a 4 year cume??

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Want to run that line, why not just abolish Parliament, the Police, the courts and pretty much anything that helps maintains a civil society under the rule of law? It would save billions every year, the downside is that you’d end up with a country no sane person would want to live in.

    Well let's just do it for one month then and clear the current deficit. Fresh start? Everyone gets a pony. {;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    So: IPCA sez police acted illegally in the ‘terror raids’ (it’s now pretty clear who was terrorised): http://www.3news.co.nz/Police-acted-unlawfully-in-terror-raids/tabid/423/articleID/298710/Default.aspx
    I can’t access the report here: http://ipca.govt.nz/Site/media/2013/2013-May-22-Operation-Eight.aspx but some seem to be able to…
    Big tick for the IPCA- definitely not a once over lightly rubber-stamp. But again, as with the GSCB, a report is not accountability. There’s been unlawful conduct. Unlikely anyone will be charged … but held to account? The old question- quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
    ETA- pdf from Scoop here.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Yeah, what's needed is a proper supervisory authority with the ability to take disciplinary action and prosecute miscreant officers, backed up by an offence of police misconduct that doesn't go away when the cop resigns.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    No. 8 why?
    The bit that struck me today was the proposition that because the Police thought they were onto to something really 'big' and 'bad,' that justified their gung-ho actions on the day ...
    So who gave them (and fed) that perception, that information doesn't seem to be forthcoming.

    They should just admit it was an exercise - just like the team policing units in Auckland in the '80s that just showed up and arrested everyone coming out the door of various pubs as they closed, I know I was caught by one lot, outside the Liberty Stage, thrown in a van , then a cell then ultimately dismissed without charge - bastards!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Emily Bailey's response to the IPCA report.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19743 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Sacha,

    Emily Bailey’s response to the IPCA report.

    I got as far as "which is a rarity from that institution which rarely criticizes unlawful or immoral acts of the NZ police force" and stopped. The IPCA has been quite forthright in criticising the Police.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    I got as far as “which is a rarity from that institution which rarely criticizes unlawful or immoral acts of the NZ police force” and stopped. The IPCA has been quite forthright in criticising the Police.

    I'm not particularly interested in hearing any more from a number of those originally charged. They don't seem to have reflected on their own actions at all.

    Oddly enough, I have a lot of time for Rangi Kemara, who in some ways is the most culpable of all.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22849 posts Report Reply

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