Hard News: Sunday in Super City
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And curiously enough, my evening began with a train ride. I happened to be near the Mt Albert station, so taking the eastbound into town was a logical choice. And it was great! For all that Auckland's bus services have improved in recent years, there's a feeling of fighting to get somewhere in a bus. The train just gets there.
Not always, I'm afraid! There's recently been a reduction in the number of trains that stop at Baldwin Ave (the closest stop to my girlfriend's place) that now makes catching one from Britomart a bit of a gamble-the conductors are so used to people getting on thinking the train will take them where they want to go that they don't even charge people who get it wrong anymore, they just advise them to get off at Newmarket and wait for a while.
But yes, overall, trains can (and should) be a great, easy way to travel. Now if Len can only manage to sort out an integrated ticketing system for all public transport...
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Benji!
Perhaps he'll play here one day?
6 November, vs the Aussies presumably.
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Currently missing: any bicycle parking at all.
What for? Does anyone ride a bike to the rugby? I'm sure there are plenty of places to park an All Blacks branded Holden V8 ute..
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Not always, I'm afraid! There's recently been a reduction in the number of trains that stop at Baldwin Ave
My understanding in that Baldwin Ave can't handle the longer trains they are putting on at peak hours. Sometimes these have the extra carriages not opening though, so they are empty but you get squeezed into a full carriage. Still the trains are a lot better that when I gave up on using them 10 years ago.
Onehunga Station has the same problem but it's brand new, not old and small like Baldwin St.
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Brown has talked of three major rail projects - the inner city loop, the airport line and a link to the North Shore . The loop looks straight forward but has there been any progress on a new harbour crossing? That always seems to stall.
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I'm sure there are plenty of places to park an All Blacks branded Holden V8 ute..
You can fit all of them together into less space than a single bicycle...
(All Blacks sponsored by Ford) :)
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Brown has talked of three major rail projects - the inner city loop, the airport line and a link to the North Shore .
If anyone on the North Shore actually wants a rail link (as opposed to refinement and service expansions on the bus network), could they drop me a line? I've nothing against trains, but I don't know if Brown has really gotten his head around the real limitations involved.
Onehunga Station has the same problem but it's brand new, not old and small like Baldwin St.
It would have been nice if Mike Lee could have acknowledged that we don't have pre-cogs doing infrastructure planning in this city and The Herald (typically when in crusade-mode) made sure the pertinent factoids about resource consent limitations were well-buried, It's very easy for Mike Lee to crap on "officials" who can't respond in kind, but a little actual journalism from a competent and dedicated transport round reporter would be boss.
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Let's hope for everyone’s sake that Auckland can finally get its shit together
Hopefully the time is right and you have the right people in chargeAs for light rail systems bring it on; I have just spent 2 months in Europe mostly in smallish cities that are so well served by integrated systems that it makes you want to weep for what we don't have..yet
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3410,
John Banks, at the end of a hellish week, showed poise and grace in the wake of the thumping result against him.
Yeah. As much as I disagree with his politics, that was classy.
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The loop looks straight forward but has there been any progress on a new harbour crossing? That always seems to stall.
The harbour crossing will happen -- it has to -- but it does seem that rail would be more easily accommodated on a span rather than in a tunnel, which would mean a couple of agencies changing their minds on the issue of whether to go under or over the water.
I gather the northern busway was designed to be retrofitted with rail if required, so it's not impossible by any means.
I do like the idea of looking 15 years out. Auckland has been plagued by messy planning and short-term decisions.
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Re: Eden Park open day. I liked the comment made by one performer on stage there that it was "good to have a chance to sit in the seats, before you can't afford them." Got the biggest laugh.
I took the train to Eden Park (first time on train to Eden Park, second time to Eden Park, ever) and I was glad to see that the way to get to Eden Park is well sign posted at the station. An obvious thing to have, perhaps - but try taking the train to Penrose, get off, and find out which direction to walk to get to Mt Smart stadium. No signage at the station there at all for the stadium. It confuses tourists no end.
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Regarding station platforms that are too short for the trains, that's not much of a problem in the UK.
For some services, passengers for Station X are told to use the front two carriages only - if a FOB like me got it in my first couple of weeks in London, I don't think it'd be too challenging to implement in Auck as an interim solution.
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I'm trying to work out the path for the rail loop - station at KRd links to Mt Eden so where will the track run under the motorway? Seems the gradients won't work unless the tracks are waaaaaay down
Edit: Never mind, found map. So basically looks like you have a KRd station at about Pitt St, then one at top of Khyber Pass (Symonds St) then Mt Eden. Goes from KRd to Khyber right under CMJ so yeah must go pretty deep at the stations as the difference in height from the bottom of the CMJ to top of Khyber/Symonds corner is pretty serious
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@Gareth - see here.
Joshua's blog is a must read on these transport matters.
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Raffe - exactly what I wanted in easy graphical form! Cheers.
And yes, duh for not going to Joshua's blog first. -
Seems the gradients won't work unless the tracks are waaaaaay down
Gareth, they'll be pretty deep under the K Road ridge. Transportblog has more detailed illustration of the route and their previous posts discuss the gradient issues.
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but it does seem that rail would be more easily accommodated on a span
and look quite good if done well.
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but it does seem that rail would be more easily accommodated on a span
and look quite good if done well.
Indeed. I liked the look of Richard Simpson's proposed span.
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Auckland has a left leaning Mayor AND a place serving authentic NYC style 'slice' on K'Road, I may just consider a move north.
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I think the problem with rail on a new bridge from Britomart to the Shore is that the gradients are very difficult for heavy rail.
I believe Joshua has covered this in his blog somewhere (I cannot quite find it), but I understand that the tracks would have to emerge from underground somewhere along Fanshawe St (unless one wants it truncating the Viaduct), then turn north along the new crossing alignment from the tank farm. An elevated rail bridge through the fabric of the city in that area is is probably not the best urban solution.
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Regarding station platforms that are too short for the trains, that's not much of a problem in the UK.
There are a few short stations in the Sydney network as well. And at night they generally only allow access to four of the (typically) eight carriage trains on all stations. It's just not that much of a problem.
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The other problem with a bridge option is the question of whether we really want two bridges across the Harbour. NZTA are determined (and with good reason) to ensure that any new crossing is additional, not a replacement crossing.
My general feeling on another Harbour Crossing is "what's the hurry?" Traffic flows across the Harbour Bridge have been steadily declining over the past 5 years as employmenr on the Shore grows and as more people choose to bus into town. Around 35% of people crossing the bridge at peak times are on a bus.
Sure eventually the clipons will fall off, but that's ages away, and if we have a rail tunnel by then the bridge should be able to cope being six lanes as we replace the clipons one at a time.
Remember, the harbour crossing project has a cost of $4 billion or more. Would that money be better spent on a railway line out to southeast Auckland? I'd be curious.
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And everyone will be hoping for good weather
Because half the seating is still uncovered, right?
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There are a few short stations in the Sydney network as well. And at night they generally only allow access to four of the (typically) eight carriage trains on all stations.
SteveH, thanks I was wondering whether there were any in Sydney which are they though, I can't think of any on the lines I use?
The proposed 2030 map looks good too.
My general feeling on another Harbour Crossing is "what's the hurry?" Traffic flows across the Harbour Bridge have been steadily declining over the past 5 years as employmenr on the Shore grows and as more people choose to bus into town. Around 35% of people crossing the bridge at peak times are on a bus.
35% seems a really large number, is that with lots of park and ride support?
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Auckland has a left leaning Mayor AND a place serving authentic NYC style 'slice' on K'Road, I may just consider a move north.
On the other hand, Paul Holmes still lives here.
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