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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Russel Norman <a href="http://www.wammo.co.nz/2010/10/13/russel-norman-pet-projects-john-key-on-mmp-stv/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">talks to Wammo</a> about road vs rail. And MMP.
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:47:19 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I think the busiest point along SH1 between Puhoi and Wellsford carries around 20,000 vehicles a day, and that's in Warkworth. Once you get outside a town, generally between Puhoi and Warkworth it's 15,000, north of Warkworth it's 10,000.</p><p>More bullshit from Joyce.</p></blockquote><p>I was on that road twice this…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:15:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>On the solutions front, I'm delighted that Penny Hulse has been <a href="http://www.3news.co.nz/Penny-Hulse-appointed-super-city-deputy-mayor-/tabid/423/articleID/181112/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">appointed Deputy Mayor</a>.</p><blockquote><p>Ms Hulse has served on the Waitakere City council in various roles for more than 15 years, most recently as deputy.</p><p>“She has been an outstanding conjugate across the [Waitakere] council with its many and varied…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 12:06:28 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>how can we get these sort of lies exposed to a wider audience?</p></blockquote><p>I'm being idealistic, but challenging lies *at the time* would be a good start. The opposition parties are supposed to have research units, aren't they? </p><p>Imagine if every time a Minister tried that shit they were called…</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:26:14 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And how can we get these sort of lies exposed to a wider audience?</p></blockquote><p>Darren Hughes is the Labour spokesperson for transport. Make sure he has the information for a start. Or Keith Locke who is the Green equivalent.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 11:07:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Mike Graham</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Please do note it though or people think it's true</p></blockquote><p>And how can we get these sort of lies exposed to a wider audience?</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:57:11 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Please do note it though or people think it's true
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:14:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						Yeah that's another one I didn't even bother commenting on. There are approximately 35,000 rail trips on a weekday across the Auckland network. I think the busiest point along SH1 between Puhoi and Wellsford carries around 20,000 vehicles a day, and that's in Warkworth. Once you get outside a town,…
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				<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 00:04:29 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>Like this example from the Minister's speech:</p><blockquote><p>“...that particular road from Pūhoi to Warkworth currently carries more people per day than are carried on the whole of the Auckland commuter rail network”</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:36:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Excellent &ndash; that's exactly the type of analysis I mean. I was looking for answers on your site earlier.  Sure you've tackled some of the numbers previously.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:22:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						Ha ha, well I spotted  <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/10/12/parliament-discusses-auckland’s-transport-future/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">at least three lies</a> in Joyce's answers in parliament today.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:15:59 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Joshua, I get the impression they may need your help fisking some of the continued lying about the basic usage numbers that underpin business cases and cost-benefit analyses.
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:11:01 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p>Let's just hope that Len gets some good advisors on hand so that he doesn't get bullied by Mr Joyce. </p><p>I agree with Sacha that the landscape has changed. These are exciting times for PT advocates, though we don't want to lose the momentum.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:07:13 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Kumara Republic</title>
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						<blockquote><p>However, the real sorting out will be happening over the next weeks and months, and the landscape has changed whether trucker-boy likes it or not.</p></blockquote><p>Prostetnic Vogon Joyce vs Red Len, anyone?</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:58:45 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<p>It's all negotiating bluster at this stage. Ak Trains has a clip of <a href="http://www.aucklandtrains.co.nz/2010/10/12/joyce-my-priorities-now/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Joyce in Parliament</a> today answering questions about whether his faith-based prioritising of highways over rail will continue. </p><p>However, the real sorting out will be happening over the next weeks and months, and the landscape has changed whether…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 19:13:05 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sofie Bribiesca</title>
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						<p>So, did   <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&amp;objectid=10679926" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this</a> be seen?<br />Way to reign on his parade.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:10:08 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>In terms of higher oil prices, we could probably have a whole thread on them &ndash; but keeping things really short I think it's pretty obvious that in the longer run prices will be higher than they are now, not lower.</p></blockquote><p>Yes. They are bounded above by the price of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:22:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						Remember that 2008 was also "$2 a litre petrol" year. Across the board a lot less kilometres were driven in 2008. From memory the road toll was about 20 less than any other year since the 1960s as well (which makes one think, is raising petrol tax the best way…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 23:39:48 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>SteveH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>So not exactly a steady decline, but a fairly significant decline all the same.</p></blockquote><p>Including older data changes the picture a bit I think:<br />2001 &ndash; 150610<br />2002 &ndash; 155260<br />2003 &ndash; 162960<br />2004 &ndash; 161990<br />2005 &ndash; 166126<br />2006 &ndash; 168754<br />2007 &ndash; 165737<br />2008 &ndash; 154925<br />2009 -…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 23:29:39 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>anth</title>
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						<blockquote>did you get that from this ARTA graph, or is there more data somewhere else? If it's from the graph then I'm not sure I'd agree that traffic flows are steadily declining &ndash; car trip numbers look pretty constant to me. And I'd point out that the graph only covers…</blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:31:31 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross Mason</title>
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						<p>Sigh,</p><p>Did you know that I can travel by car the full length of Lower Hutt and get to work without going through a traffic light???**</p><p>Or</p><p>I could walk 10 mins to the station, catch the new train, ride it for 20min while reading the paper while sitting in…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:12:50 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p>I suspect it's much more than the two official park and rides at Albany and Constellation. <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/northern-busway.jpg" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">This graph</a> tends to indicate that around 9000ish people catch PT across the Harbour Bridge into Auckland's CBD during the 7-9am peak. </p><p>How many park and ride spaces are there? 500 at each of…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:10:52 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>35% seems a really large number, is that with lots of park and ride support?</p></blockquote><p>A reasonable amount (though I'm really pleased we've got off- street parking, because the streets around Constellation station fill up PDQ most mornings).  But it's also got a lot to do with some thought going…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:55:57 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Matthews</title>
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						Russell.. I'm thrilled you have not just embraced cycling but now discovered the new renaissance of rail in Auckland. I'm an addict of the Auckland Trains site (<a href="http://www.aucklandtrains.co.nz/)" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">http://www.aucklandtrains.co.nz/)</a> but everyone used to laugh at me as I had become some tragic trainspotter. Now it's become very fashionable and I'm glad…
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:52:27 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joe Wylie</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Can't help thinking we missed out on democracy here in Chch.</p></blockquote><p>By way of compensation there's <a href="http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/4217870/Bob-and-The-Bats-on-show" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Bob the born-again Bats fan</a>. Seems that the real reason he couldn't engage in debate was that he was too busy learning the chords to <em>North by North</em>. <br />Awwwww . . .</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:36:49 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						On a lighter note, Danyl has a <a href="http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2010/10/11/image-of-the-day-photography-is-truth-edition/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">telling photo</a> of Len Brown, Murray McCully and John Key from the Eden Park opening, complete with caption competition (look quickly, before Farrar sics NZPA onto him and they remove the pic).
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:24:10 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Ross McA.</title>
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						<p>Great to hear your new mayor on the radio talking rail. <br />Can't help thinking we missed out on democracy here in Chch. Partly cos of the quake , but mainly because Bob opted out and wouldn't paticipate.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:19:37 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Richard Wain</title>
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						<blockquote><p>What for? Does anyone ride a bike to the rugby?</p></blockquote><p>Hey! Last time I saw the Hurricanes play at Eden Park (only time TBH) me and a buddy biked over.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 20:08:51 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'd be interested, if they're not too difficult to find.</p></blockquote><p>The 2005 to 2009 stats are available to read <a href="http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/state-highway-traffic-volumes/docs/SHTV-2005-2009.pdf" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">here</a>.</p><p>2005 &ndash; 166126<br />2006 &ndash; 168754        <br />2007 &ndash; 165737<br />2008 &ndash; 154925<br />2009 &ndash; 158102				</p><p>(note, I have added together centre-span and both clip ons to get this total)</p><p>So…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:52:06 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>SteveH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Steve, NZTA show AADT (daily flow averaged over a year) for each bit of state highway. I can't remember the exact figures, but I should be able to find them.</p></blockquote><p>I'd be interested, if they're not too difficult to find.</p><blockquote><p>35% of people crossing the bridge on PT at peak…</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:21:46 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p>Steve, NZTA show AADT (daily flow averaged over a year) for each bit of state highway. I can't remember the exact figures, but I should be able to find them.</p><p>35% of people crossing the bridge on PT at peak times is pretty good. Around 50% of people entering the…</p>
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				<title>SteveH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Traffic flows across the Harbour Bridge have been steadily declining over the past 5 years as employmenr on the Shore grows and as more people choose to bus into town. Around 35% of people crossing the bridge at peak times are on a bus.</p></blockquote><p>Josh, did you get that from…</p>
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				<title>BenWilson</title>
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						<blockquote><p>My general feeling on another Harbour Crossing is "what's the hurry?"</p></blockquote><p>I guess the answer is: These things take an awfully long time to organize, and it's only going to happen if there is a political will to make it happen.</p><blockquote><p>Remember, the harbour crossing project has a cost of…</p></blockquote>
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				<title>SteveH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>SteveH, thanks I was wondering whether there were any in Sydney which are they though, I can't think of any on the lines I use?</p></blockquote><p>There are quite a few on the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlingford_Line" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Carlingford line</a>. I believe they are planning to build a line from Epping to Parramatta which will incorporate…</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						Thought he was in Hawkes Bay or somewhere now?
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Auckland has a left leaning Mayor AND a place serving authentic NYC style 'slice' on K'Road, I may just consider a move north.</p></blockquote><p>On the other hand, Paul Holmes still lives here.</p>
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				<title>Paul Williams</title>
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						<blockquote><p>There are a few short stations in the Sydney network as well. And at night they generally only allow access to four of the (typically) eight carriage trains on all stations.</p></blockquote><p>SteveH, thanks I was wondering whether there were any in Sydney which are they though, I can't think of…</p>
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				<title>dc_red</title>
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						<blockquote><p>And everyone will be hoping for good weather</p></blockquote><p>Because half the seating is still uncovered, right?</p>
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				<title>Joshua Arbury</title>
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						<p>The other problem with a bridge option is the question of whether we really want two bridges across the Harbour. NZTA are determined (and with good reason) to ensure that any new crossing is additional, not a replacement crossing.</p><p>My general feeling on another Harbour Crossing is "what's the hurry?"…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 16:15:09 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>SteveH</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Regarding station platforms that are too short for the trains, that's not much of a problem in the UK.</p></blockquote><p>There are a few short stations in the Sydney network as well. And at night they generally only allow access to four of the (typically) eight carriage trains on all stations.…</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:22:47 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raffe Smith</title>
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						<p>I think the problem with rail on a new bridge from Britomart to the Shore is that the gradients are very difficult for heavy rail. </p><p>I believe Joshua has covered this in his blog somewhere (I cannot quite find it), but I understand that the tracks would have to emerge…</p>
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				<title>Samuel Scott</title>
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						Auckland has a left leaning Mayor <em>AND</em> a place serving authentic NYC style 'slice' on K'Road, I may just consider a move north.
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p><em>but it does seem that rail would be more easily accommodated on a span</em></p><p>and look quite good if done well.</p></blockquote><p>Indeed. I liked the look of Richard Simpson's proposed span.</p>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						<blockquote><p>but it does seem that rail would be more easily accommodated on a span</p></blockquote><p>and look quite good if done well.</p>
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				<title>Sacha</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Seems the gradients won't work unless the tracks are waaaaaay down</p></blockquote><p>Gareth, they'll be pretty deep under the K Road ridge. Transportblog has more detailed <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/11/preferred-alignment-of-cbd-rail-tunnel-chosen/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">illustration of the route</a> and their previous posts discuss the gradient issues.</p><p><br /><em>Snap</em></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:32:34 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>Raffe &ndash; exactly what I wanted in easy graphical form! Cheers.<br />And yes, duh for not going to Joshua's blog first.</p>
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				<title>Raffe Smith</title>
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						<p>@Gareth &ndash; <a href="http://transportblog.co.nz/2010/03/17/more-info-on-the-cbd-rail-tunnel" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">see here.</a></p><p>Joshua's blog is a must read on these transport matters.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 14:27:44 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Gareth Ward</title>
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						<p>I'm trying to work out the path for the rail loop &ndash; station at KRd links to Mt Eden so where will the track run under the motorway? Seems the gradients won't work unless the tracks are waaaaaay down</p><p>Edit: Never mind, found map.  So basically looks like you have…</p>
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				<title>TracyMac</title>
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						<p>Regarding station platforms that are too short for the trains, that's not much of a problem in the UK. </p><p>For some services, passengers for Station X are told to use the front two carriages only &ndash; if a FOB like me got it in my first couple of weeks in…</p>
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				<title>Bevan Shortridge</title>
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						<p>Re: Eden Park open day. I liked the comment made by one performer on stage there that it was "good to have a chance to sit in the seats, before you can't afford them." Got the biggest laugh.</p><p>I took the train to Eden Park (first time on train to…</p>
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				<title>Russell Brown</title>
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						<blockquote><p>The loop looks straight forward but has there been any progress on a new harbour crossing? That always seems to stall.</p></blockquote><p>The harbour crossing will happen &mdash; it has to &mdash; but it does seem that rail would be more easily accommodated on a span rather than in a tunnel,…</p>
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				<title>3410</title>
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						<blockquote><p>John Banks, at the end of a hellish week, showed poise and grace in the wake of the thumping result against him.</p></blockquote><p>Yeah. As much as I disagree with his politics, that was classy.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:57:41 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Raymond A Francis</title>
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						<p>Let's hope for everyone’s sake that Auckland can finally get its shit together<br />Hopefully the time is right and you have the right people in charge</p><p>As for light rail systems bring it on; I have just spent 2 months in Europe mostly in smallish cities that are so well…</p>
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				<title>Craig Ranapia</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Brown has talked of three major rail projects &ndash; the inner city loop, the airport line and a link to the North Shore .</p></blockquote><p>If anyone on the North Shore actually wants a rail link (as opposed to refinement and service expansions on the bus network), could they drop me…</p>
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				<title>FletcherB</title>
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						<blockquote><p>I'm sure there are plenty of places to park an All Blacks branded Holden V8 ute..</p></blockquote><p>You can fit all of them together into less space than a single bicycle...</p><p>(All Blacks sponsored by Ford)  :)</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 11 Oct 2010 13:39:42 +1300</pubDate>
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				<title>Neil Morrison</title>
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						Brown has talked of three major rail projects &ndash; the inner city loop, the airport line and a link to the North Shore . The loop looks straight forward but has there been any progress on a new harbour crossing? That always seems to stall.
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				<title>Ray Gilbert</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Not always, I'm afraid! There's recently been a reduction in the number of trains that stop at Baldwin Ave</p></blockquote><p>My understanding in that Baldwin Ave can't handle the longer trains they are putting on at peak hours. Sometimes these have the extra carriages not opening though, so they are empty…</p>
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				<title>Rich of Observationz</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Currently missing: any bicycle parking at all.</p></blockquote><p>What for? Does anyone ride a bike to the rugby? I'm sure there are plenty of places to park an All Blacks branded Holden V8 ute..</p>
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				<title>Kyle Matthews</title>
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						<blockquote><p>Benji!</p><p>Perhaps he'll play here one day?</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://www.nzrl.co.nz/kiwis-match-schedule.aspx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">6 November, vs the Aussies</a> presumably.</p>
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				<title>Andre Alessi</title>
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						<blockquote>And curiously enough, my evening began with a train ride. I happened to be near the Mt Albert station, so taking the eastbound into town was a logical choice. And it was great! For all that Auckland's bus services have improved in recent years, there's a feeling of fighting to…</blockquote>
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