Hard News: Still crazy after all these years
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At least more than a few of the posters in PAS-(referring to Robbie's last comment.)
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I had originally intended to comment here along the lines of "I can't wait for the Womens' XV to arrive", but I'm sure at this point they've probably had enough of this stuff, just like the rest of us.
I gave up a couple of pages ago and happily spent the time I would have used to post checking up on the cricket. Good start!
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Well, I could give up and stop feeding the troll, but I think it's important to have it on the record that that sort of thing is Not OK round here. If only to reassure other female posters/lurkers that this isn't yet another internet boys club where the dumbass sexists are allowed to drown out the reasoned debate.
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I gave up a couple of pages ago and happily spent the time I would have used to post checking up on the cricket. Good start!
Yes, certainly more compelling than this stuff, but it shouldn't go unchallenged, and B seems a bit under attack. Need some Mods in the house. Guess there's lots to do for the show tonight, which should be a goody, with the sporty guests.
B, there were probably a dozen or more 'PAS fellas' watching this unfold thinking D, RB, or EH would jump in, but they haven't. So, without wanting to drag things out, this is what we do I suppose. Some might call it gutless, but I'd call it a diffusion.
Damn, Guptill just holed out...
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To which I can only respond with the classic kiwi breaker of awkward silences and changer of subjects: how about those All Blacks, eh?
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probably a dozen or more 'PAS fellas' watching this unfold
Ahem, some of us have intervened as best we can while not wanting to set off further futile yelling or to usurp our host or fellow guests.
I'm impressed we are all responding quite calmly and not taking the bait. Feels a bit sad this time.
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Oh sheez. Last time I looked at this thread we were talking about bromeliads and boofheads.
Hey Robbie, you know that thing you do where you think you're being all provocative and shit, especially when you're talking about women? It's played.
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Sorry Sacha, I saw you were in the mix. Didn't jump in earlier as these things need some refinement, which I'm still developing.
Anyhoo, anyone who hasn't read Russell's piece, linked in the original post, maybe this would be a good time to remember it. We are humans, after all.
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Moving right along...
In the early nineties, [the marginal rate for some beneficiaries] passed 100%. There was a thresh-hold you hit, and my memory is a bit dodgy on it now but I think it was at around 15 minimum wage hours a week, where the claw-backs were more than you were making per hour.
There's still an income band where that happens, depending on whether or not you are receiving rental assistance. You can get the gory details from Inland Revenue's 2008 Briefing to the Incoming Minister (441 KB pdf). A few weeks back, I poached a copy of the graph and put it on my blog, so you can go take a look at it there if you don't fancy getting the entire IRD briefing (scroll down a bit to get to the second graph on the page).
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B, there were probably a dozen or more 'PAS fellas' watching this unfold thinking D, RB, or EH would jump in, but they haven't. So, without wanting to drag things out, this is what we do I suppose. Some might call it gutless, but I'd call it a diffusion.
I'm here when I'm not packing boxes. We take possession tomorrow, have I mentioned that?
I totally appreciate B's efforts on the 'calling bullshit' side of things, haven't seen any comments I feel need removing, and heartily recommend the 'now ignoring obvious rubbish in favour of the beauty of Brendan McCullum batting' approach.
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I'm here when I'm not packing boxes. We take possession tomorrow, have I mentioned that?
Wow! Good luck with that. Afraid I found some of it just a little over my line, but we may have ascertained earlier that my line is a bit 'sensitive' at the best of times.
I'm holding my breath for McCullum's innings. So far I've gone completely blue and may need resuscitating, but I'm not prepared to jinx it.
Bugger! Someone trip that Hussey up please. Taylor, what were you thinking?
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Can we talk about cars now?
if they have to drive Holdens and Fords, they think it's worth the price.
And they won't see it coming when GM and Ford get it together to shutdown simultaneously. Although the V8 racing organisers have seen the future, and it's German. This will *not* go down well in Westie suburbs everywhere.
It's a worry when the object of one's fetish is a foreign multinational..
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We take possession tomorrow, have I mentioned that?
Good luck! We got in... three weeks ago tomorrow. Unpacking almost finished. I've taken about four carloads of flattened cardboard to be recycled.
Most depressing thing, the dozen or so boxes and bags of things that I had to haul up the hill to the new house, only to have my partner finally agree that it really was rubbish and that it needed to go to the Sallies or a skip.
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Unpacking almost finished. I've taken about four carloads of flattened cardboard to be recycled.
I'm starting to wonder if we couldn't just have built a house out of cardboard boxes.
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Keeping Geelong going is important to Ozzies, and if they have to drive Holdens and Fords, they think it's worth the price.
There's a diversity of views that in part can be resolved by checking which state you're from but generally, I think you're right. There's nothing like the obsession with policy-purity that has dominated NZ policy making.
sold its factories to Mitsi, which itself has recently jumped ship
They had a go at staying, the 380 was their big innovation, but perhaps three manufacturers was too much for the taxpayers to subsidise?
I'm impressed we are all responding quite calmly and not taking the bait. Feels a bit sad this time.
~late as ever to the thread...
I'm more than happy to see a close questioning of the media, their tactics, their ethics and professionalism and I'd wondered what the motive of this story really was... (train-wreck journalism is an obscene indulgence) but I agree that Robbie's most recent comments strayed well wide of what's reasonable when he starts asking what the reporters were wearing...
Perhaps the only way out of this is to wait for the courts to deal with it and then separately consider the journalistic issues since there's no suggestion the journos committed any crime.
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Serving refreshments and helping lift mysterious boxes, in spirit :)
I totally appreciate B's efforts on the 'calling bullshit' side of things
Same, and Philip's
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three weeks ago tomorrow. Unpacking almost finished.
Pfft. Amateurs. We finished unpacking the last of our UK boxes at Christmas. Seven years after we first touched down.
Beat that, suckers.
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Beat that, suckers.
I think you missed the point of the exercise somewhere. Longer != better.
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I'm more than happy to see a close questioning of the media, their tactics, their ethics and professionalism and I'd wondered what the motive of this story really was... (train-wreck journalism is an obscene indulgence)
Is said media really Too Big to Fail? If they're an Abrams tank, then the Press Council is a Supersoaker.
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Well, I could give up and stop feeding the troll, but I think it's important to have it on the record that that sort of thing is Not OK round here. If only to reassure other female posters/lurkers that this isn't yet another internet boys club where the dumbass sexists are allowed to drown out the reasoned debate.
reasoned debate ?
bro...you haven't substantiated a single point. Let me remind you, your point was
if vile shit goes unchallenged, it continues.
and when asked who these 'plenty of people pullin the medias card on obvious bullshit are' and 'challenging the vile shit' you've just changed tack and called me a troll.
the point is, if you're a credible journalist ,regardless of gender, and you're going to name and shame someone in the media regarding sexual assault, either put your name to the story or shut the fuck up and give it due process.
How is that misogynist or sexist or dumass or offensive ? As for what they were wearing. It has direct relevence to how they would be percieved by a disturbed young man.
and Danielle...you know that thing you do, where we know what you're gonna say before you say it, especially regarding women ? it's predictable.
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Robbie, I think everyone has been doing their best to move the discussion on. We've been over that ground, and repeating it doesn't seem to be worthwhile. Please, could you consider moving on from that particular topic too.
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sure Deborah...if people would stop the obvious trolling, the petty name calling and stick to the issue, I wouldn't have to keep battering the point to death.
I just think this is the most important issue/case relating to media in ages and all everyone wants to do is talk cricket. As if we have a chance against the ozzies :)
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Yeah, sorry, but your line of attack against the reporters is just vile. And it's not as if the point hasn't been made on this thread that the actions of the Herald might well constitute entrapment, and that Kurariki is a victim in this rather appalling incident too.
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Robbie, you're just not listening. If you behave like a sexist neanderthal git - she asked for it by wearing a short skirt, your honour - then don't act all surprised when you attract a corrective response here, the same as most places these days. It's no different than if I were to start flinging old-fashioned stereotypes about polynesian men like Muriel Newman has been.
Are you really that unaware - what does your partner think of your attitudes about women?
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O Sacha! For all we know H. sapiens neanderthalis were paragons of sexual equality! (Actually, there is some evidence for this, given that both males and females show broken bones consistent with hunting injuries...)
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