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Hard News: Still crazy after all these years

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  • Robbie Siataga,

    she asked for it by wearing a short skirt, your honour and by flashing her tits and talking about sex and looking at my penis with hungry eyes. What the hell was i supposed to think your honour. I'm just some easily manipulated fucked up young man who should never have been put in that position in the first place and she is a professional journalist who will use whatever assets she's got, do whatever it takes to get the story she wants and doesnt give a shit who it damages in the process.

    true i have no idea what happened but i'm also not going to take what she said at face value either. As for my attitudes towards women. My attitude changes depending on what type of woman you are.

    My second eldest daughter currently has 2 young women "friends" who have involved her in a vicious assault they did on another young woman ? Should my attitude to them be the same as for all other young women ?

    and what does my lady think ? she loves that as a polynesian man, i cook, clean and look after the kids while she works and not feel all macho insecure cos she brings home the bacon.

    Since Feb 2010 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    And it's not as if the point hasn't been made on this thread that the actions of the Herald might well constitute entrapment,

    Ok, probably going out on a PAS tangent (I like to think) here. I don't know that what you say was made.But I am just being lazy trying to not get all jiggy with it. I know Robbie is pretty good with pissing many people off around here, and especially to people I respect,but I do think his point (albeit a little more than I think necessary) was trying to highlight the difference of man and woman in our society. Naturally many of us understand, the want I suppose, to accept each other because we treat each other equally. I think Robbie has current legitimate questions for his time. It could be innocence. It could be brute machismo.It could be a different world view. I am trying to understand the questions Robbie's poses. Is this cultural that I can't understand? I don't think he tries to denigrate women, perhaps he just sees the average view ?
    Just my opinion, but I ain't prepared to judge.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    FWIW Robbie, when it goes through the courts, it's worth a look. Point made. Sometimes the sound of silence can be real loud. Shouting doesn't ever win anything. Whatever. Wonder what the PIXIES was like.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Robbie Siataga,

    There's 2 sides to every story and we're only ever likely to hear one side of this one. Bailey can't speak on what happened.

    Re the courts : Chances are they'll get name supression and he'll do time again because no one will believe him with no corroborating witness, even if it did play out as i spun it.

    But the fact is, he now has a sexual assault tag on him and if it turned out he buckles and commits suicide inside, then who's the real victim and who's gonna call bullshit then ?

    ahhh fuck it...no one will care cos it'll be too late and besides, theres plenty more Baileys out there to smear and be scared of. Every polynesian male is after all a probable rapist and violent offender.

    So what about that cricket then eh ? Gee... i do hope that nice Michael Clarke doesnt split with Lara Bingle, although she does seem a bit common and when's Tiger Woods going to play golf again ?

    Since Feb 2010 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    FFS - PLEASE LEAVE THE TOPIC ALONE! This is one of the few forums in New Zealand where the idea that Kurariki might have been unfairly treated by the press gets a serious hearing, and you still come in and piss all over us, and treat us as though we're some kind of racist scum, because we might just want to say that no matter what, we don't get into victim blaming.

    New Lynn • Since Nov 2006 • 1447 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    FFS - PLEASE LEAVE THE TOPIC ALONE!

    Quite.

    Robbie, for goodness sake: you've made your point over and over and over. Give it a rest.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Meanwhile, back on the Act Party topic ...

    Rodney Hide is now baselessly accusing Jim Salinger of destroying climate data, as part of some climate-denial conspiracy theory.

    Act really is the party of the gibbering loon. It's just bloody unfortunate that one of the loons is being paid as a Minister of the Crown.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Robbie Siataga,

    ...lost the cricket, so we're all angsty now huh :)

    Re ACT : For all that Uncle Winston was a greasy self serving git. He would have thrived in opposition to this lot.

    Since Feb 2010 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    First live cricket game I've gone to in about 30 years. Was fun. Pleasantly surprised about the facilities. Unpleasantly unsurprised about the result. Good to hear that NZers heckle properly now, and that crowd preference is given to witty comments rather than abusive ones. My favourite exchange, both pitched loud enough for the entire stand to hear:

    Ozzie: I don't know what the fuck you're on about, mate
    Kiwi: Language, please, there's children here
    Ozzie: They should have gone to bed hours ago
    Kiwi: At least it's not a stolen bed

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Yes, while we took a flogging in the cricket, I didn't see any horses smuggled in on this occasion, but there's still a few games left.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Ozzie: I don't know what the fuck you're on about, mate
    Kiwi: Language, please, there's children here
    Ozzie: They should have gone to bed hours ago
    Kiwi: At least it's not a stolen bed

    I thoroughly enjoy the banter with Aussies at sporting events here in Sydney. Can't say I've ever encountered it getting out of hand either. The story here about the Styris/Johnson encounter was even handed and rolfnuid that Styris was too busy sledging the Aussies to see if the winning shot was a four of six.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    rolfnui

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I thoroughly enjoy the banter with Aussies at sporting events here in Sydney.

    It seems like the main reason to actually go to the event, to be part of the crowd and to be heard vocally supporting your team. The quality of the cricket viewing experience is less than watching it on TV, with a nice armchair, nice snacks and drinks. Since the cricket viewing experience is not much of a priority for me, I'm starting to understand why people go to the games.

    Yuck beer though. We did not regret quickly bailing after the first innings to a pub in Kingsland, particularly when rain delayed the restart. I wonder if that's deliberate, so the crowd doesn't get too pissed, that they serve beer that is downright horrible by the 3rd bottle?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Sacha, the code is wrong but the sentiment is about right...

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Sacha, the code is wrong but the sentiment is about right...

    Um... wow, Paul. That was something.

    So is this.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    Ahh Binga's bollywood hit. He and his brother, Shane, had a respectable garage band... actually respectable might be pushing it a little.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    "Let the abos go loose, Bruce...they're of no further use..."

    Wow. I'd never heard that song all the way through (my grandad had a record but it was badly scratched) - amazing what you find lurking in ancient pop culture.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 976 posts Report Reply

  • philipmatthews,

    Martin Hirst on Bailey Kurariki.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2007 • 656 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Hirst regurgitates anonymous arguments that we're all too familiar with here under a different name - and I'd rather not go there again thanks, given how long it took to hose them down the first time.

    He seems to slide past the fundamental connection that Kurariki has been "deemed to be deviant" because he actually helped kill someone at an early age, not because of some abstract sociological victimisation.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Hirst regurgitates anonymous arguments that we're all too familiar with here under a different name - and I'd rather not go there again thanks, given how long it took to hose them down the first time.

    Anonymous?

    He seems to slide past the fundamental connection that Kurariki has been "deemed to be deviant" because he actually helped kill someone at an early age, not because of some abstract sociological victimisation.

    So, besides the fact that he's paid in full his debt to society, are you saying that he doesn't deserve meaningful attempts at rehabilitation, nor a right to privacy? I don't follow you.

    Other than the use of quotations marks around "victims" of sexual assault, I find little to object to in Hirst's summation personally.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • ethicalmartini,

    Sacha, not sure which "anonymous arguments" you're referring to.
    I certainly don't ignore what Kurariki did, nor do I excuse it. My argument is that the news media contributes to the nasty situation through the way it reports his actions. The real responsibility for how he's turned out is actually with Government and successive cuts to rehab services etc that could actually have helped this young man turn his life around. In my post I put it like this:

    "Bailey Junior Kurariki learned to be a man under totally un-natural and irrational conditions. Is there any real wonder that today he displays behaviours that are considered un-natural and irrational?

    No, there is isn’t. There’s just one more sad example added to the evidence pile of argument that prison does not work as any form of real “rehabilitation” and rather than “cure” criminal behaviour it reinforces it. In Kurariki’s case it also reinforces his infantilism and lack of maturity.

    And none of that is an excuse for the news media turning Kurariki into some kind of freakshow attraction like the legendary wolfboy. He is not an exhibit to be poked at, prodded and pelted with fruit."

    Since I wrote this post, Lianne Dalziel Labour's Justice spokesperson has delivered a speech in which she touches on many of the same issues. It's worth a read.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1003/S00437.htm Dalziel speech

    AKL • Since Mar 2010 • 5 posts Report Reply

  • ethicalmartini,

    BTW: I've just gone back through the thread to catch up. Most of the stuff posted by Robbie S on the Kurariki case is actually a direct lift from a thread I quote in my EM blogpost.
    Maybe this is what Sacha was referring to as "anonymous". The source is clearly identified in my blog. Someone using a pseudonym on a Hip Hop music thread - like some people do here.
    You can check out the "Lopaki" thread here. http://back2basics.hiphopnz.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=53050
    I'm not sure why Robbie would want to be associated with all those comments (some of which I quote on my blog), unless he's also "lopaki" on Back2Basics. I want to make it clear that they are not my opinions.

    AKL • Since Mar 2010 • 5 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    When I read the article on your site ethicalmartini, that was my first thought,'O look, he's got another pseudonym as well as the 2 he's used on PAS..."
    Robbie S I mean.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • philipmatthews,

    My argument is that the news media contributes to the nasty situation through the way it reports his actions.

    Watching that Campbell Live item this week, I wondered: does everyone who doesn't show up for a court appearance in NZ get a visit from a TV3 presenter and a camera operator or just those who we have decided are our celebrity monsters?

    That seems like the key to Martin's post to me, not the issue of how many pseudonyms Robbie Siataga has.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2007 • 656 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Precisamundo

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

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