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Hard News: One man’s Meat Puppets is another man’s Poison

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  • Sacha, in reply to Simon Grigg,

    Those wacky record companies

    no wonder everyone reveres them

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to James Butler,

    Which leaves us with juxtapositions like this:

    Speaking of the Moody Blues, did you know that Gorgio Moroder did Nights in White Satin?

    IMhO, not his best work.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2450 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP,

    Ok, back to the torture. He’s been mentioned before, but I think this needs to be here somewhere.

    Richard Marx – Right here waiting

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2450 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe,

    Danny Watson in the Afternoon on who knows what and who cares radio station. Guaranteed to give road rage when he appears in my car.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Simon Grigg,

    Wow. That takes me back. And there's my boy. Sad.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Hebe,

    Grace Jones <sigh>. Love her. And Russell, yes, Mavis Staples is wonderful.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Hebe,

    Venus is one of my most favourite songs. Ever. Ever ever ever. I've heard the original - someone called Mariska Veres sang it, I think, and I thought that was shit.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Russell Brown,

    the sub-genre we know as “Christian rock”, and I honestly can’t say why almost none of it seems to be any good.

    The devil has all the good tunes? ;-)

    I think the problem with “Christian rock” is that it’s afraid to do anything that might be the slightest bit interesting or challenging in case it alienates some Christians. So it’s neutered, watered-down, anaemic…..

    I wish I could post Nick Cave’s Introduction to Mark as a sort of antidote, but it seems not to be on YouTube.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3894 posts Report Reply

  • Scott Chris, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Like when you dismissed the entire early Flying Nun canon as people who could barely play their instruments?

    I should have been clearer. I would assert that you cannot promote the superiority of one genre over another, but you can compare relative levels of musicianship. In fact that is one of the few ways you can objectively measure musical worth aside from uniqueness and lyrical merit. (and maybe I was being just a teensy weensy bit provocative)

    But 'Hotel California' is inseparable from its cultural context, surely?

    Yea I suppose but it's also the culmination of the band's own evolution from its country rock origins to a more sophisticated and technically competent urban sound which I would argue complies with the tag progressive. And whilst the Eagles are a product of that era they are not necessarily reflective of it.

    Can I ask whether punk rock changed your life?

    No I had been indoctrinated into a different genre of music as a 10 year old by an older sibling, so Punk was anathema to me. I think Punk possibly had the most impact on mid-teens with no prior convictions... of the musical sort at least. ;)

    Auckland • Since Feb 2012 • 167 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    Speaking of jokes, did anyone watch Portlandia_on TV3 last night? Hilarious. Well, off to see the Chiefs win another game. There is likely to be some bad music there.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2562 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Led Zeps still looking REALLY good.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Scott Chris,

    I think Punk possibly had the most impact on mid-teens with no prior convictions... of the musical sort at least.

    Punk's impact was especially on mid-teens like me who lurved Lou Reed, David Bowie, the Velvets, T Rex, the Kinks, the Animals, the Rolling Stones, psychedelic pop and that sort of groove. In other words we had a genre we liked but it wasn't named until punk happened along. I also liked Pink Floyd and in thos e days Genesis and similar proggy fare.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Just for Jackie

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1590 posts Report Reply

  • Scott Chris, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    See, I love hymns and I'm a nonbeliever.

    Me too. 'Jerusalem' is so absurd but so moving. Like this one too and sung beautifully by the French Canadian Queen of Schmultz:

    Auckland • Since Feb 2012 • 167 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard, in reply to Hebe,

    Heaven on the other hand will have Grace:

    Do you expect much anal sex in Heaven? Makes sense, I guess.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1040 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Scott Chris,

    you can compare relative levels of musicianship

    pays not to confuse that with technical ability though.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Fooman, in reply to Scott Chris,

    For some reason I prefer this version:

    Lower Hutt • Since Dec 2009 • 87 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Scott Chris,

    measure musical worth

    which has a lot to do with cultural context (unless you're some sort of modernist).

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard, in reply to George Darroch,

    Let me know what you think of this.

    I used to think of it as genius, but unlistenable genius. But now I can't stop listening to it.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1040 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Punk’s impact was especially on mid-teens like me who lurved Lou Reed, David Bowie, the Velvets, T Rex, the Kinks, the Animals, the Rolling Stones, psychedelic pop and that sort of groove.

    See, in the 90s I was listening to Oasis, Blur, Bob Dylan, Lou Reed and other things (both good and bad). And trying to understand punk, which by 1999 seemed like a worn out photocopy of a cliche. And then I read an article in Real Groove describing ATR as the most punk band on the planet…

    It warped my mind in ways I can’t describe. Posting, because it’s ostensibly unlistenable on so many levels. They’ve deliberately digitally manipulated the mid-range frequencies that evoke anxiety in humans. I’m not sure if I still like them, but that unease I feel provokes warm nostalgia.

    And similar, but really bad, and genuinely awful: Steve Aoki

    It was very difficult not to hear this in clothing shops and bars all over Canberra two years ago. It bothered me, for a while, so I think this counts as dislike.

    (edited to add correct Aoki video. Though the Refused cover is also appalling in a rather pathetic way)

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Fooman, in reply to Russell Brown,

    This thread is making me think. I know little or nothing of classical musical music -- I'm sure if I put in the time I'd discover what I liked.

    I can only recommend Stephen Malinowski's visual transciptions of assorted pieces. Probably the most _pure_ music videos I know of. Example:

    I came across them following a link to the Nokia Fugue:

    Cheers,
    FM

    Lower Hutt • Since Dec 2009 • 87 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Tom, I just ninja'd you. Sorry! Yeah, I dig that. Though I'm the sort that listens to a lot of minimalist glitch.

    (Sample)

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Tom Beard,

    ? ( or do I really want to know) Revised to: that's a creepy comment. Songs mean different things to different people; obviously your take on that song is a whole lot different to mine. Mine was that it's a great dance number, and I want to dance in heaven.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Hebe,

    I think he's referring to the pull up to the bumper thing - which may be overanalysing it somewhat, since Jones herself says that wasn't what it was about.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pull_Up_to_the_Bumper

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    Does Eurovision get a special circle of hell?

    And what do you make of such mind-bendingly bizarre crossovers as this:

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3894 posts Report Reply

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