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  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Michael Savidge,

    I see him as somehow earnest and wanting to engage others to consider his views.

    With a similar level of generosity the same could be said of Penny Bright, who probably would be all over this place given the opportunity.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Savidge,

    Yeah I know…but still. Either kick him off or let him go relatively unscathed. There'll be no middle ground.

    Somewhere near Wellington… • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    I'm hoping everything Key says forever, some cheeky journalist is going to earnestly ask: "When you say you're off to Palmy in the morning- is that you you or the PM's office off to Palmy? Just to be sure I've got this straight."

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Michael Savidge,

    It’s a fine line on who’s being dirty sometimes.

    And then the gang mentality kicks in with a viciousness that makes this place as scary as Kiwiblog on a bad day.
    For Pete's sake, a little humanity goes a long way.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Savidge, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    And then the gang mentality kicks in with a viciousness that makes this place as scary as Kiwiblog on a bad day.

    Well I don't think it's ever going to be that bad here. People step in...

    Somewhere near Wellington… • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    For Pete’s sake, a little humanity goes a long way.

    Nice pun, but it goes both ways.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Sorry if I’ve missed it Pete, but have you at any point devoted any of your unending outrage towards the actual hideous content of that rape conversation? Or expressed sympathy for the young women being targeted by these creeps?

    {ETA: Sorry, Russell. I'm replying to your comment, but none of this is specifically directed at you.}

    Wonder if anyone would like to consider whether there's quite a few Young Nat women (many of whom I consider friends and colleagues) who might have got the point several days ago that Messers Lusk and Slater consider them "retards" and "filthy" and don't really need to keep being told that by anyone.

    I've been having private conversations with women -- and not past or present Young Nats, but all of whom I consider friends and in many cases close colleagues -- who are really finding the way these e-mails are being talked about seriously unsafe.

    Here's something I said on the Tanya Billingsley thread, which I seriously think is relevant here :--

    And I don’t think I was the only person more than a little… disquieted by how sharply the victim of a crime got elbowed out of the way so media commentators could get to the “real issue” – how it affected the political interests of an awful lot of men both in New Leeland [sic] and Malaysia. IMO & YMMV, of course, but that seemed to me another symptom of how rape culture works – if you push rape victims to the margins of their own story, as it were, you don’t have to bother yourself with them. Right?

    Guys (and it's mostly us chaps) please think twice how you're talking about that e-mail exchange, which could most genrously be described as casually & grotesquely misogynistic, and why. A lot of the commentary around this, and PAS is far from the worse, sure hits my ear as being less about sympathy or concerns for the safety of women in the Young Nats (or anywhere else) than scoring political points. This isn't just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.

    This really isn't the last comment I wanted to post here for a while; I'm going to be on holiday and mostly offline for the next three weeks and won't be replying to responses anyway. But damn, people -- we're better than this.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Thank you, Craig.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    This isn’t just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.

    Point. And taken. Have a good holiday, Craig.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Journalist,David Fisher has given the Harold some good works this morning. He has Gerry Brownlees staff
    He has more Collins staff/Slater preferences and
    an overview
    I’ll just add,I’m glad I support Pak’n’Save up North.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Guys (and it’s mostly us chaps) please think twice how you’re talking about that e-mail exchange, which could most genrously be described as casually & grotesquely misogynistic, and why. A lot of the commentary around this, and PAS is far from the worse, sure hits my ear as being less about sympathy or concerns for the safety of women in the Young Nats (or anywhere else) than scoring political points. This isn’t just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.

    Agreed. PG has introduced the topic into two separate threads now, to no useful end.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Russell, I think it was you who introduced that particular topic:
    http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-never-mind-the-quality/?p=320974#post320974

    I was asked to link to proof that Hager got some things wrong in his book but didn't mention "the topic" in that.

    Do you believe David Farrar's claim that Hager got that part of his book wrong (the topic being discussed at the time)?

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Pete George,

    Good grief. I'm not sure whether you're being disingenuous or just tone-deaf, but I can't be bothered with it any more. Goodbye.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    So as I read and understand it, the Herald have commentor logs from Whaleoil's site and can link "anonymous" (pseudonymous) posts, the email address the account was registered from, and the IP address of the machine that it was posed from. Browlee's press secretary just seems to have been identified by email address, but if the Herald have some good data analysis people they could do a lot more. This aspect may just be getting started.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Goodbye

    applause

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to David Hood,

    Brownlee's press secretary just seems to have been identified by email address, but if the Herald have some good data analysis people they could do a lot more. This aspect may just be getting started.

    The other best investigative journalist in the country is working on this. I suspect National's strategy people are changing their underwear on an hourly basis.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    A suggestion another website I read has a 'plonk' button on every posting press it and their posting header shows up but no content unless you click unplonk

    Just like the usenet of old

    Maybe put that on the nice to have list

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    One thing I wondered after reading that article was: are there now two hackers with complementary material?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    my sense is that there may have several people independently* exploring the ruins of Slater's server as it fell over. But that is just speculation.

    *independent in the sense of a bunch of unrelated people going "get him" at the same time

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Sacha,

    Goodbye

    applause

    +100

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2935 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    From today's whaledump...

    Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:54pm

    rodney may get interesting today, if the party actually do what they say they will

    changes to delegates, first meeting scrubbed

    and extra two weeks until selection
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    Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:55pm

    especially when i post pienaars little immigration problem
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    Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:55pm

    the scott post yesterday was the one that will really fire them up
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    Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:55pm

    the homo post on gaynz is beautiful
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    Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:56pm

    there are a number of people who dont want scott

    they should be paying you to write for them
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    Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:56pm

    lots of people should be paying me to write for them

    i hope Mark is up with the play on these posts
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    Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:57pm

    yes am talking to him a lot

    he is telling me that it is having a massive effect
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    Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:57pm

    hehe
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    Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:58pm

    scott will be nervous now

    that list is rigged

    and he will be worried you will out him
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    Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:59pm

    i'll find out what dad thinks of it
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    Simon Lusk, 2/23, 7:03pm

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8343030/Jeweller-grapples-robber-as-he-holds-gun-to-his-head.html
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    Cameron Slater, 2/23, 7:03pm

    calling him out..fucking awesome

    adrenaline surge

    hopefully i will get the email about peinar and hooton today
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    Simon Lusk, 2/23, 7:13pm

    that would be help keep the pressure on


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    February 24, 2011
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    Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:08am

    pinko loved that description of patricia morrison
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    Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:10am

    he rang me especially and is going to nominate me for an award of literary brilliance
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    Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:10am

    yes it would be funny if it won that award

    there would be a few people around that would lean on the judges just to wind up patricia
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    Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:11am

    was she worse thatn boag
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    Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:11am

    different from boag
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    Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:11am

    my old man rang...feeling out what info i've got
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    Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:11am

    interesting
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    Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:12am

    i stabbed scott, alistaor and towers
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    Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:12am

    did that make him nervous?
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    Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:12am

    he snapped at me "Don't you want Scott to win?"

    I replied.."Dad, I'm interested in a fair fight not some bullshit micro managed manipulation fo what is supposed to be a democratic process...i thought you were better than that"
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    Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:13am

    it is a sin and shame that it wont be a fair fight if the 9th floor go nuclear
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    Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:13am

    I added that i am so appalled at all teh cheating I think I'll out the lot of them
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    Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:13am

    that is worth doing

    list of delegates

    why werent party luminaries given slots
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    Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:14am

    dodgy, lying cheating cunts...firstly at the branch level, secondly at the region and thirdly with Goodfellow

    The plot thickens.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Kirk Alexander,

    Not that it really matters in the scheme of things but yesterday's Lusk2 dump indicates that while Lusk considers the young nats "retards", this was the reason he didn't want many of them coming to the party. Slater then requested that there be "just dirty girls who flip it up", with their status of being or not being a young nat presumably immaterial. Classy as ever.

    Chch • Since May 2013 • 17 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to David Hood,

    my sense is that there may have several people independently* exploring the ruins of Slater’s server as it fell over. But that is just speculation.

    *independent in the sense of a bunch of unrelated people going “get him” at the same time

    Fisher's source does seem to have different material. Plus it's possible either may have shared with someone other than Hager. Right when this started, one person tweeted me alluding to having "the whole site".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    The UBS's display of Dirty Politics has a great gimmick: a pile of sick-bags and a sign saying "FREE SICK-BAG with Dirty Politics (in case a sense of nausea over-whelms you !)."

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 760 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    Why does Slater and his cabal so dislike Michelle Boag so much ? Any particular reason, or is it purely a clash if personalities ?

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 760 posts Report Reply

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