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Steve Barnes, in reply to
the Security Intelligence Service, an extremely sensitive agency for which he is directly responsible.
I would have thought and no doubt someone will correct me if I am mistaken, but surely "The Office of the Prime Minister" and the Minister in charge of the SIS are separate entities, albeit the same person in reality, for the purposes of political separation and required by law.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
I did special votes more than once,
Same election?
Good on ya Mate. Vote early and vote often.
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Emma Hart, in reply to
I did special votes more than once, because I was out of my electorate. I know it’s a lot to ask but could there please be some clemency for those who are so slack, they don’t enroll but decide on the day that they do in fact want to vote. Drivers license, passport, or another ID that allows 18 year olds to buy alcohol, should be serious enough.
We want you to vote, okay? We do everything we can to ensure that it's as easy as possible for people to vote, and we count every vote possible. So, just quietly, if you turn up on the day with nothing, but you can give us an address, we will let you CAST a vote, and try to verify your eligibility later. The most important thing is address, so we can try to make sure that you're not, by casting an invalid vote, missing the chance to cast a valid vote in your actual electorate.
Our whole system, when it comes to the process of casting a vote, is basically the polar opposite of the US, and I'm pretty proud of that.
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Tucker joins in with backing the Emperor with his plausible deniability
As Mandy Rice-Davies said "Well he would say that, wouldn't he?"
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Stephen R, in reply to
Our whole system, when it comes to the process of casting a vote, is basically the polar opposite of the US, and I'm pretty proud of that.
100% agree, and I'd much rather keep doing it on paper than moving to e-voting.
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I'm usually no fan of Newstalk ZB, but they're really doing their job on this one:
Newstalk ZB also has Ombudsmen correspondence, between its office and the SIS, relating to release of information regarding the matter. It clearly states Dr Tucker had a discussion with the Prime Minister.
What next? Tucker and Key both claim memory lapse?
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While I'm on the subject of message and graphic design:
the full-page ad in Monday's DomPost comparing the parties' commitments to increasing carer salaries -- on which every party but National is shown to be in favour -- loses several points for phrasing its conclusion "Vote for the party..." which invites the casual reader to vote for the odd party out ... i.e., National. Gah! -
Rich of Observationz, in reply to
The system is a bit misconceived.
The basic requirement to vote is that you are an NZ citizen or permanent resident, not a convicted prisoner, and you (if outside NZ) haven't been away for more than a certain time.
If you turn up at a polling place, the latter part of that is obvious and it just comes down to asserting your residence status and address (to determine which electorate you are in).
That could all be done from the databases of Internal Affairs and NZIS (with backup from IRD and LTSA). There is no actual need to maintain an electoral roll of where everyone lives. For those that refuse to carry id, they could sign a statutory declaration.
Quickvote cards could also be mailed out as currently for everyone where the EC has a known address, making voting simple: go to any polling place, show either quickvote card, id or sign a declaration and vote.
[And as Emma points out, voting like this is allowed now. All that's needed is to build some smarts into the system so that the exceptional becomes normal. Which is the correct use of IT in voting, not online or electronic ballots]
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Don't do that, Dave...
Thanks for putting that all over the Internet,
Mate!!!!!!!That reminds me:
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Dismal Soyanz, in reply to
Wasn't there some form of card sent out to voters at the last election?
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Felix Marwick has now released a second letter to him in the matter -- the one from the Ombudsman -- that clearly refers to Tucker having "a discussion with the Prime Minister" about the OIA release.
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CJM, in reply to
Yes but when Tucker refers to speaking to the 'Prime Minister' you have to understand that that is just the arcane lingo the SIS use. Speaking to the 'Prime Minister' can simply mean a chair is being addressed. Or a hat. Or an HB pencil.
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Watch Patrick Gower interviewing evasive PM at standup (8m clip).
And PM telling Morning Report that he has held Collins as accountable as he’s going to – from same standup I think (11m audio). Outrageous smuggery.
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I wonder how they are going to spin this ? Tucker's recollection back at the time was dodgy and his recollection now, three years later, is to be taken as the final word ?
Where's the section in the cabinet manual that says you can be a pathological liar ?
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There seems to be an art to refuting only what someone has actually claimed, so that when they come up with the next lie, you can reveal your next document demonstrating that too is a lie.
I don't think I'm cunning enough to do that properly, but I do appreciate seeing it in action.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Last few elections, I think. But you only get that if you have registered.
If you're a young person and moving around, and haven't checked your mail and sent the form off, you won't get one. That's the problem.
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Sacha, in reply to
Last few elections, I think.
I remember reading that this govt had cancelled it. Obviously worked too well.
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While I can accept that "I notified the Prime Minister" might be construed to mean that "I notified the Prime Minister's Office", but talk of a "discussion" can't easily be spun any way other than a discussion with the actual prime minister.
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Rob Stowell, in reply to
Tucker’s recollection back at the time was dodgy and his recollection now, three years later, is to be taken as the final word ?
Bravo Felix. It’s unravelling rather fast, as lies upon lies can do …
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CJM, in reply to
Not easily spun, but they'll give it a shot. The desperation is palpable.
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Just off topic for a moment - can anyone guess what the number two sport for rich people is?
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izogi, in reply to
Where’s the section in the cabinet manual that says you can be a pathological liar ?
But wait, isn't there something in common law about the honesty of a king out-ranking the honesty of a knight, who out-ranks the honesty of a peasant?
Problem solved.
If that's too bad for Tucker, he could maybe consider a trial by combat, even if that means throwing globs of jelly at each other by today's standards.
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Even if the notification was just to the PM's Office, the PM's Office doesn't exist independently of the PM. It's actions are his actions, and what it knows he knows, otherwise the entire basis of responsible government collapses.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Rubbers on...*
...that means throwing globs of jelly at each other by today’s standards
Team K-Y operates on this premise:
This lubricant has proven extremely popular because it does not stain and is easily cleaned up.
*rubber - a contest consisting of a series of successive matches between the same sides or people in tennis, cricket, and other games.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
but talk of a “discussion” can’t easily be spun any way other than a discussion with the actual prime minister.
Well, to split hairs and I think the Prime M is splitting his split ends on this one, you can, conceivably, have an email discussion but that would entail a response to which a further response was made. However, this can be overruled by not recalling that chain of events by either party, we'll just have to wait for those emails I guess, otherwise it is an admission that a face to face or telephone discussion took place.
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