Hard News by Russell Brown

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  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Russell Brown,

    So we're back to to the scenario of a Prime Minister who is innocent of any and all doings in his own office, even where they involve the Security Intelligence Service, an extremely sensitive agency for which he is directly responsible.

    In light of the fact that Key had been busy calling at the time Goff on this very thing, Brent Edwards - using one of the most wonderful euphemisms in the history of public radio - just called this revelation "surprising".

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    You can cast a special vote on the day if you are not on the roll but believe you should be.

    I did special votes more than once, because I was out of my electorate. I know it’s a lot to ask but could there please be some clemency for those who are so slack, they don’t enroll but decide on the day that they do in fact want to vote. Drivers license, passport, or another ID that allows 18 year olds to buy alcohol, should be serious enough.

    Part of the unregistered voter syndrome could be as simple as fear of forms. I know about this with my dyslexia. Filling out forms can/was actually be a phobia. I suspect that there might be more of an aversion to farting around with the enrollment than the voting itself.

    I realize this might sound kind of lazy to high functioning PAS readers.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to simon g,

    Will the Prime Ministers diary for the day on which Slaters request for the OIA was made, show exactly what it was that he was doing that precluded him casting a heavily-lidded eye over the papers that had come through his office?

    With his continual “I wouldn’t know”, “I wasn’t privy”, “It was nothing to do with me”, “I don’t remember” litany one would have to ask – purely as a matter of trying to establish the value we get from our politicians – what exactly the fuck it is that John Key does?

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R,

    An interesting link off that article - John Armstrong on the Inspector General investigation into the SIS/Slater/Key
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11312115

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to steven crawford,

    Have been tour(ist)ing around the top of the South Island this week, and finally got to see a range of party billboards.
    Impressions:
    National have the most effective design by far: uncluttered blue field with the very clear instruction to “party vote National” + tick.
    Greens: text in white on a detail-rich coloured field is harder to read, and the “party vote” instruction is too small to read on a drive-by, but the party name is still relatively prominent.
    Labour: “Vote positive” is all very nice, but in effect it means even their own billboards lack the confidence to instruct us, unambiguously, to vote Labour. Frustratingly incompetent messaging and graphic design, failing to get even the basics right. What the hell are they playing at?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1938 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Russell Brown,

    the Security Intelligence Service, an extremely sensitive agency for which he is directly responsible.

    I would have thought and no doubt someone will correct me if I am mistaken, but surely "The Office of the Prime Minister" and the Minister in charge of the SIS are separate entities, albeit the same person in reality, for the purposes of political separation and required by law.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to steven crawford,

    I did special votes more than once,

    Same election?
    Good on ya Mate. Vote early and vote often.
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to steven crawford,

    I did special votes more than once, because I was out of my electorate. I know it’s a lot to ask but could there please be some clemency for those who are so slack, they don’t enroll but decide on the day that they do in fact want to vote. Drivers license, passport, or another ID that allows 18 year olds to buy alcohol, should be serious enough.

    We want you to vote, okay? We do everything we can to ensure that it's as easy as possible for people to vote, and we count every vote possible. So, just quietly, if you turn up on the day with nothing, but you can give us an address, we will let you CAST a vote, and try to verify your eligibility later. The most important thing is address, so we can try to make sure that you're not, by casting an invalid vote, missing the chance to cast a valid vote in your actual electorate.

    Our whole system, when it comes to the process of casting a vote, is basically the polar opposite of the US, and I'm pretty proud of that.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to linger,

    Frustratingly incompetent messaging and graphic design. What the hell are they playing at?

    Shucks, "at the end of the day" thats just another left wing smear campaign~:)

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Same election?
    Good on ya Mate. Vote early and vote often.
    ;-)

    Thanks for putting that all over the Internet, Mate!!!!!!!

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Tucker joins in with backing the Emperor with his plausible deniability

    As Mandy Rice-Davies said "Well he would say that, wouldn't he?"

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2217 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Our whole system, when it comes to the process of casting a vote, is basically the polar opposite of the US, and I'm pretty proud of that.

    100% agree, and I'd much rather keep doing it on paper than moving to e-voting.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    I'm usually no fan of Newstalk ZB, but they're really doing their job on this one:

    Newstalk ZB also has Ombudsmen correspondence, between its office and the SIS, relating to release of information regarding the matter. It clearly states Dr Tucker had a discussion with the Prime Minister.

    What next? Tucker and Key both claim memory lapse?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    While I'm on the subject of message and graphic design:
    the full-page ad in Monday's DomPost comparing the parties' commitments to increasing carer salaries -- on which every party but National is shown to be in favour -- loses several points for phrasing its conclusion "Vote for the party..." which invites the casual reader to vote for the odd party out ... i.e., National. Gah!

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1938 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    The system is a bit misconceived.

    The basic requirement to vote is that you are an NZ citizen or permanent resident, not a convicted prisoner, and you (if outside NZ) haven't been away for more than a certain time.

    If you turn up at a polling place, the latter part of that is obvious and it just comes down to asserting your residence status and address (to determine which electorate you are in).

    That could all be done from the databases of Internal Affairs and NZIS (with backup from IRD and LTSA). There is no actual need to maintain an electoral roll of where everyone lives. For those that refuse to carry id, they could sign a statutory declaration.

    Quickvote cards could also be mailed out as currently for everyone where the EC has a known address, making voting simple: go to any polling place, show either quickvote card, id or sign a declaration and vote.

    [And as Emma points out, voting like this is allowed now. All that's needed is to build some smarts into the system so that the exceptional becomes normal. Which is the correct use of IT in voting, not online or electronic ballots]

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to steven crawford,

    Don't do that, Dave...

    Thanks for putting that all over the Internet,
    Mate!!!!!!!

    That reminds me:
    Don't drink and vote!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7948 posts Report Reply

  • Dismal Soyanz, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Wasn't there some form of card sent out to voters at the last election?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2010 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

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    Felix Marwick has now released a second letter to him in the matter -- the one from the Ombudsman -- that clearly refers to Tucker having "a discussion with the Prime Minister" about the OIA release.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Yes but when Tucker refers to speaking to the 'Prime Minister' you have to understand that that is just the arcane lingo the SIS use. Speaking to the 'Prime Minister' can simply mean a chair is being addressed. Or a hat. Or an HB pencil.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Watch Patrick Gower interviewing evasive PM at standup (8m clip).

    And PM telling Morning Report that he has held Collins as accountable as he’s going to – from same standup I think (11m audio). Outrageous smuggery.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19735 posts Report Reply

  • Mikaere Curtis,

    I wonder how they are going to spin this ? Tucker's recollection back at the time was dodgy and his recollection now, three years later, is to be taken as the final word ?

    Where's the section in the cabinet manual that says you can be a pathological liar ?

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Nov 2006 • 528 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R,

    There seems to be an art to refuting only what someone has actually claimed, so that when they come up with the next lie, you can reveal your next document demonstrating that too is a lie.

    I don't think I'm cunning enough to do that properly, but I do appreciate seeing it in action.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Dismal Soyanz,

    Last few elections, I think. But you only get that if you have registered.

    If you're a young person and moving around, and haven't checked your mail and sent the form off, you won't get one. That's the problem.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Last few elections, I think.

    I remember reading that this govt had cancelled it. Obviously worked too well.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19735 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Meyers,

    While I can accept that "I notified the Prime Minister" might be construed to mean that "I notified the Prime Minister's Office", but talk of a "discussion" can't easily be spun any way other than a discussion with the actual prime minister.

    Wellington • Since May 2014 • 56 posts Report Reply

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