Hard News by Russell Brown

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  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Russell Brown,

    the Security Intelligence Service, an extremely sensitive agency for which he is directly responsible.

    I would have thought and no doubt someone will correct me if I am mistaken, but surely "The Office of the Prime Minister" and the Minister in charge of the SIS are separate entities, albeit the same person in reality, for the purposes of political separation and required by law.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to ,

    I did special votes more than once,

    Same election?
    Good on ya Mate. Vote early and vote often.
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to ,

    I did special votes more than once, because I was out of my electorate. I know it’s a lot to ask but could there please be some clemency for those who are so slack, they don’t enroll but decide on the day that they do in fact want to vote. Drivers license, passport, or another ID that allows 18 year olds to buy alcohol, should be serious enough.

    We want you to vote, okay? We do everything we can to ensure that it's as easy as possible for people to vote, and we count every vote possible. So, just quietly, if you turn up on the day with nothing, but you can give us an address, we will let you CAST a vote, and try to verify your eligibility later. The most important thing is address, so we can try to make sure that you're not, by casting an invalid vote, missing the chance to cast a valid vote in your actual electorate.

    Our whole system, when it comes to the process of casting a vote, is basically the polar opposite of the US, and I'm pretty proud of that.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Tucker joins in with backing the Emperor with his plausible deniability

    As Mandy Rice-Davies said "Well he would say that, wouldn't he?"

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2217 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Our whole system, when it comes to the process of casting a vote, is basically the polar opposite of the US, and I'm pretty proud of that.

    100% agree, and I'd much rather keep doing it on paper than moving to e-voting.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    I'm usually no fan of Newstalk ZB, but they're really doing their job on this one:

    Newstalk ZB also has Ombudsmen correspondence, between its office and the SIS, relating to release of information regarding the matter. It clearly states Dr Tucker had a discussion with the Prime Minister.

    What next? Tucker and Key both claim memory lapse?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • linger,

    While I'm on the subject of message and graphic design:
    the full-page ad in Monday's DomPost comparing the parties' commitments to increasing carer salaries -- on which every party but National is shown to be in favour -- loses several points for phrasing its conclusion "Vote for the party..." which invites the casual reader to vote for the odd party out ... i.e., National. Gah!

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1942 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    The system is a bit misconceived.

    The basic requirement to vote is that you are an NZ citizen or permanent resident, not a convicted prisoner, and you (if outside NZ) haven't been away for more than a certain time.

    If you turn up at a polling place, the latter part of that is obvious and it just comes down to asserting your residence status and address (to determine which electorate you are in).

    That could all be done from the databases of Internal Affairs and NZIS (with backup from IRD and LTSA). There is no actual need to maintain an electoral roll of where everyone lives. For those that refuse to carry id, they could sign a statutory declaration.

    Quickvote cards could also be mailed out as currently for everyone where the EC has a known address, making voting simple: go to any polling place, show either quickvote card, id or sign a declaration and vote.

    [And as Emma points out, voting like this is allowed now. All that's needed is to build some smarts into the system so that the exceptional becomes normal. Which is the correct use of IT in voting, not online or electronic ballots]

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to ,

    Don't do that, Dave...

    Thanks for putting that all over the Internet,
    Mate!!!!!!!

    That reminds me:
    Don't drink and vote!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Dismal Soyanz, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Wasn't there some form of card sent out to voters at the last election?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2010 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Attachment

    Felix Marwick has now released a second letter to him in the matter -- the one from the Ombudsman -- that clearly refers to Tucker having "a discussion with the Prime Minister" about the OIA release.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Yes but when Tucker refers to speaking to the 'Prime Minister' you have to understand that that is just the arcane lingo the SIS use. Speaking to the 'Prime Minister' can simply mean a chair is being addressed. Or a hat. Or an HB pencil.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Watch Patrick Gower interviewing evasive PM at standup (8m clip).

    And PM telling Morning Report that he has held Collins as accountable as he’s going to – from same standup I think (11m audio). Outrageous smuggery.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Mikaere Curtis,

    I wonder how they are going to spin this ? Tucker's recollection back at the time was dodgy and his recollection now, three years later, is to be taken as the final word ?

    Where's the section in the cabinet manual that says you can be a pathological liar ?

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Nov 2006 • 528 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R,

    There seems to be an art to refuting only what someone has actually claimed, so that when they come up with the next lie, you can reveal your next document demonstrating that too is a lie.

    I don't think I'm cunning enough to do that properly, but I do appreciate seeing it in action.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Dismal Soyanz,

    Last few elections, I think. But you only get that if you have registered.

    If you're a young person and moving around, and haven't checked your mail and sent the form off, you won't get one. That's the problem.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Last few elections, I think.

    I remember reading that this govt had cancelled it. Obviously worked too well.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Meyers,

    While I can accept that "I notified the Prime Minister" might be construed to mean that "I notified the Prime Minister's Office", but talk of a "discussion" can't easily be spun any way other than a discussion with the actual prime minister.

    Wellington • Since May 2014 • 56 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell, in reply to Mikaere Curtis,

    Tucker’s recollection back at the time was dodgy and his recollection now, three years later, is to be taken as the final word ?

    Bravo Felix. It’s unravelling rather fast, as lies upon lies can do …
    ETA - I'm way too slow, already linked :)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2110 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    Not easily spun, but they'll give it a shot. The desperation is palpable.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    Just off topic for a moment - can anyone guess what the number two sport for rich people is?

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2217 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Mikaere Curtis,

    Where’s the section in the cabinet manual that says you can be a pathological liar ?

    But wait, isn't there something in common law about the honesty of a king out-ranking the honesty of a knight, who out-ranks the honesty of a peasant?

    Problem solved.

    If that's too bad for Tucker, he could maybe consider a trial by combat, even if that means throwing globs of jelly at each other by today's standards.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1141 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    Even if the notification was just to the PM's Office, the PM's Office doesn't exist independently of the PM. It's actions are his actions, and what it knows he knows, otherwise the entire basis of responsible government collapses.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to izogi,

    Rubbers on...*

    ...that means throwing globs of jelly at each other by today’s standards

    Team K-Y operates on this premise:

    This lubricant has proven extremely popular because it does not stain and is easily cleaned up.

    *rubber - a contest consisting of a series of successive matches between the same sides or people in tennis, cricket, and other games.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Michael Meyers,

    but talk of a “discussion” can’t easily be spun any way other than a discussion with the actual prime minister.

    Well, to split hairs and I think the Prime M is splitting his split ends on this one, you can, conceivably, have an email discussion but that would entail a response to which a further response was made. However, this can be overruled by not recalling that chain of events by either party, we'll just have to wait for those emails I guess, otherwise it is an admission that a face to face or telephone discussion took place.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

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