Hard News: It's not funny because it's our money
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merc,
Sometimes I wonder if we would have had fibre by now if they hadn't sold Telecom. Then I remembered how State asett sales are good for us.
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Lilith __, in reply to
maybe not that stirring…
It’s no Gaudeamus igitur !
ETA: the line Nos habebit humus does not mean We have the hummus :-)
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fibre in the ground is fibre in the ground
It's presumably got a lifecycle and will one day be obsoleted. (and the termination kit will age a whole lot quicker).
Personally, I'd have thought a Fibre-To-The-Lamppost technology with wireless of some kind for the "last 20m" would have worked better. That way, there's no/less premise equipment, no/less marginal cost of connection and the ability to offer free trials.
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Sacha, in reply to
We would have had more fibre completed if Steven Joyce hadn't sat around negotiating for an extra 3 years. At least a decade earlier if Williamson were less of a chump. And even before that if Prebble, Douglas and co were living in the real world rather than a neolib fairyland (and if the unions actually fought them rather than rolled over).
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Islander, in reply to
Which is what we got in Big O well over a decade ago...
(fibre-to-lamp-post...well, power& telephone pole, there being no lamp-posts round here...)
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Sacha, in reply to
wireless of some kind for the "last 20m"
not nearly the same performance as fibre, is it?
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Islander, in reply to
We got fibreoptic right to each house ....)
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merc, in reply to
It's a question of what is needed for what. Copper is really good. Software can be bloated. Use. Sometimes I wonder whether we haven't been sold a huge technology dummy that has suited Govt. and some few individuals. It's the whole railway steam engine thing for me.
And as for State asset sales, is it wrong to question whether they have provided any real benefit to you and me?
Can we afford the Govt. we have? Let alone trust them. -
Sacha, in reply to
but that's not the same as wireless for the last part
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Sacha, in reply to
wonder whether we haven't been sold a huge technology dummy
experts seem in agreement it's a good idea
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merc, in reply to
LOL, rain follows the plough. Maybe we will look back on these years, if we have that chance and we will say, boy did we miss a huge chance there. Trying to do the same things over and over for the same outcomes.
We could have evened up the whole world. /in a melting pot/ ;-) -
Rich of Observationz, in reply to
not nearly the same performance as fibre, is it?
You'd be surprised. 5Gbits enough for you?
More prosaically, 802.11n does 300Mbit/s. I'm getting 144Mbit right now. That's faster than UFB mandates, even on out-of-the-box technology.
What it wouldn't do is allow the digerati, when they meet their global mates at CatCon* or DivStock** to boast about how NZ has universal fibre to the home.
*CatCon - the leading unconference for users of the Linux cat command.
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Jane Pearson, in reply to
You make me laugh, Ian.
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Sacha, in reply to
latency?
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Sacha, in reply to
LOL
if that's your response to a professional consensus, we'd best not talk about climate change.
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merc, in reply to
I lived too long to simply take the word expert seriously. Technology should serve, not enslave, and the mute dedication to it belies a dangerous intent.
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The fibre to the post and Gigabit wi-fi to the home seems ideal to me, especially considering the RBI is only promising 1mbps to the home ( PDF)
In fact, if you read that PDF you may well come away thinking we may well have been sold a pup.
When they say things like...ok, what’s the big deal?
It’s fast internet, right? Why are people so excited about it and investing all this money? It’s because UFB is about so much more
than just fast internet. It’s about what will happen as a result of being able to process this amount of data this quickly. People
are excited not only because it will allow us to do all of the things we can imagine from a higher bandwidth – for example,
super-high-quality video calling to our families, friends and business colleagues overseas. They’re excited because it will allow us
to do things we can’t yet imagine.And you realise that we are being told this by the people that manufacture the gear, you begin to wonder.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
latency?
Took you 25 mins to answer.
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DexterX, in reply to
The only question for Govt's is, how do we control it? The second question we should ask is, why are they not telling us of the risks involved?
The time has moved on, the electoral system has not kept pace.With the coalition partners being ruled by self interest the MMP system has handed a FPP result to the Nats.
The injection into capital markets heralded as a primary reason as to why selling our Power Generation to us is good - will take money out of NZ term deposits and place it in the hands of the Government.
The joke is on and other than bewail the fact there is not much to be done.
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merc, in reply to
The joke is on and other than bewail the fact there is not much to be done.
I agree, I wonder where the money will go.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
Even though wireless has made big strides, fixed lines will still be king for a while yet, and latency is the biggie. More than 25 years after the anti-trusting of Ma Bell, it's still the case with America's telco infrastructure.
Opponents of unbundling, including Bruce Sheppard and Roger Douglas, commonly believed that wireless broadband would displace cables in the ground. The noobs.
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DexterX, in reply to
I wonder where the money will go.
Nowhere significant - I could be wrong but I don't think it is ear marked for anything in particular.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Not to mention that the experts in question are making predictions about economics without being economists, about sociology without being sociologists and about engineering without being engineers. I'd trust an expert in a scientific discipline on the specific subject they're qualified in. Someone who folk on the internet think to be one of the cool kids, less so.
Personally, I have a degree in Comp Sci and thirty-odd years experience, and have been using data circuits since the late 80's. I don't consider myself an expert though, just able to find and interpret information.
Wireless doesn't have intrinsically worse latency than wired (the speed of light is after all faster in air than glass) - practical protocols do have worse latency, but not unacceptable, unless you have a real need to zap your enemy inside milliseconds.
And I don't think our economic future hinges on winning at WoW.
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BenWilson, in reply to
And I don't think our economic future hinges on winning at WoW.
No one loses in WoW.
ETA: Or wins.
ETA2: There is some appeal to finally becoming a LPB, though -
stephen walker, in reply to
Steve, after seeing that excerpt, there's no way i'd open the pdf.in the space of a couple of decades, nz society has been reduced to the level of half-cut pub banter that someone is paid to produce...
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