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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • simon g,

    First impression: Language of e-mail looks a bit too good to be true. (To avoid thread derails, that's my feel, not my want).

    OTOH, Hollywood studio execs would eat grannies for a buck, so who knows?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1333 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

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    Bugger. I was experimenting with adding an image and it popped up on the wrong post. The caption should read, "Electric fences don't put off country folk."

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1440 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to simon g,

    yeah, first read it seems, well…perfect, really, too perfect. Then I thought about it and wondered 'how would the big cheese from hollywood write an e-mail about scoring a nice wedge from lil' ol' NZ?'
    It's craven, self-serving, corrupt. Meat and potato to to the movie world.
    I suspect KDC will have something else to back it up.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson,

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    And the followup is *totally* legit:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxi395aCUAEfPRf.png

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Herald asks readers: "Who do you believe - John Key or Kim Dotcom?"

    Answer: Glenn Greenwald. He's the one with the proven record of reliability. Which is why I'd much rather listen to him than KDC.

    Obviously Key's line is to find one hole and dismiss all by association (Dotcom = Greenwald = Cunliffe = Armageddon). Sadly I think it'll work. Tonight's story is no longer (only) about the GCSB and Key's dishonesty. Lose the framing, lose the fight.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1333 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    The Herald has one of their polls running - Who do you believe - John Key or Kim Dotcom? and at the moment it's running...

    Kim Dotcom - 67
    John Key - 38

    Expect comments to be closed shortly.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1440 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    AND WE'RE OFF!

    NEW ZEALAND SPY AGENCY LAUNCHED MASS SURVEILLANCE PROJECT WHILE PUBLICLY DENYING IT
    BY GLENN GREENWALD AND RYAN GALLAGHER

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1440 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to Alfie,

    Key. Dead man walking.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to CJM,

    Key. Dead man walking.

    Dead man lying, don't you mean?

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 325 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to CJM,

    Key. Dead man walking.

    How long will it take for John Armstrong to demand his resignation? ;-)

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to nzlemming,

    How long will it take for John Armstrong to demand his resignation? ;-)

    121 hours at least.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Key on RNZ just now explaining why he 'cancelled' the NSA/GCSB Speargun operation.

    We were afraid that some people might interpret it as mass surveillance. It's not. It's the protection of peoples' data.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1440 posts Report Reply

  • Damian Christie, in reply to Greg Dawson,

    And the followup is *totally* legit:

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxi395aCUAEfPRf.png

    Just an idea – if you’re going to take my twitter pic, maybe include the original tweet and hashtag (#akshuallyfake) that I used when I wrote it – it’s now got a life of its own without people being aware of its intended fakeness.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    Well here’s a thing. I don’t think I have ever seen a mainstream media piece that transcribes the PM’s exact speech pattern:

    Speaking to reporters in Christchurch today, he rejected accusations he was releasing the documents for political gain.

    “It’s a bit rich though to say that it’s expedient when here’s a guy that’s used hacked information presenting a case that’s actually wrong, now he only saw one part of it and that’s as I said a big problem, once you hack into something, you present the wrong picture don’t you, because you know he might of been right if it had carried on all the way through but unfortunately for him he’s completely and utterly wrong."

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Alfie,

    Key on RNZ just now explaining why he ‘cancelled’ the NSA/GCSB Speargun operation.

    Because everyone calls their protective systems after sharp pointy things meant to be used underwater to, y'know, spear things...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Damian Christie,

    Just an idea – if you’re going to take my twitter pic, maybe include the original tweet and hashtag (#akshuallyfake) that I used when I wrote it – it’s now got a life of its own without people being aware of its intended fakeness.

    Word.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Andrea Vance can sort wheat from trees, wood from chaff ...

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/policies/10500540/Look-beyond-Dotcoms-spy-fanfare

    Which is really what I've been trying to say. On one hand, a mountain of research and hard evidence. OTOH, an e-mail, authenticity unknown.

    There are now 2 separate stories running, one which skewers Key and one which gives him an escape route. But the focus should be on the Greenwald/Snowden/Intercept story, not the Warner Bros one. In the media muddle, they are mixed and mashed. Watch the 6 pm news tonight, see how they get conflated and confused.

    Only Kim Dotcom's ego can fuck this up. Could he please STFU for a few days and let the rest of us hold the Prime Minister to account?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1333 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls,

    I suspect the intelligence agency PR is performing a little sleight-of-hand.

    i.e. It's called cybersecurity because it is using cyber tech for the purposes of national security (interpreted with maximal flexibility).

    - which allows them to pretend that it is all about the security of IT systems (i.e. JK's "it's just the same as Norton")

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 325 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Damian Christie,

    Curious about DPFs claim that the Southern Cross cable people claim that it's not possible it could have been accessed.

    Doesn't really convince me at this point, there are so many ways that such hacks could be pulled off that their assurances are not any kind of knockdown.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Bruce Clark,

    Kia ora -heres my latest song, a tribute to the ACT party - - satirical- lampooning neo-liberalism - hope you don't mind my posting this - don't worry you'll like it - please pass on to anyone you can - thanks - bruce

    ps will post my new song soon - "Dirty Politics" - fighting back against the sleazy grubby politics

    New Zealand • Since Sep 2014 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • CJM, in reply to BenWilson,

    The surveillance operation is called 'Speargun'. A weapon that penetrates objects with a spear attached to a cable.

    Auckland • Since Aug 2014 • 107 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to CJM,

    thar she blows...

    The surveillance operation is called ‘Speargun’.
    A weapon that penetrates objects with a spear attached to a cable

    Used with explosive effect in whaling...

    they could've called it Haarpoon, that'd be catchy...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to BenWilson,

    As I recall, AT&T denied they were allowing the NSA to tap the internet as well.

    For the record

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to BenWilson,

    Curious about DPFs claim that the Southern Cross cable people claim that it’s not possible it could have been accessed.

    And yet we know that other cables around the world are accessed. As I said somewhere else, I’d do it on land, at the head end, rather than at sea. And I’d intimidate Southern Cross into silence about it as well.

    [edit] oh gods I read the comments. Rex Widerstrom is the most coherent.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2937 posts Report Reply

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