Posts by Paul Rowe
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So you’re saying the NZRU is even more insular than the English FA and the BCCI?
Not at all. I don't know about the BCCI, but the FA is not a fair comparison - they realised that the Premiership has failed to build a pool of English coaches to choose from, so went to Eriksson. They tried to return to an English coach, and he bollixed it up.
I don't agree with the "there's no-one else now that the Dingo and Daffodil Gatland have gone overseas. Given that Mains' Otago were hardly world beaters when he was appointed ABs coach, and that Hart had been out of coaching for a while when he was appointed to the job, there's no reason why one of our current S14 or NPC coaches couldn't step up if necessary. (Shoot, whatever they're not doing at BoP, let's not do that).
When did this defeatism take over the NZ rugby psyche?
Maybe on 31 October 1999?
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I’ll keep banging the Jake White drum until I see a logical reason why it can’t be him. BTW, look at how the England football team are going at the moment.
Leggie, totally respect your point of view, but even as an iconoclast's view, that is the most ridiculous statement you've ever made.
If the NZRU were to put every current NPC and S14 coach and their assistancts, every current and former ABs coach and their assistants, and every New Zealander coaching at a high level overseas on a plane, crash that plane in the Andes, and have the survivors eat the dead to stay alive, the NZRU would not pick a foreignerto coach the national team.
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Good on you Graham, and good luck with it!
There are those who are tireless self-promoters and those who promote themselves (which is what they put into their work), and you are clearly the latter. (Does that say what I want it to say?) Promote away!
Let's see, music, travel, is there a novel locked up in there somewhere as well?
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How strange - that's the last room I'd think of confronted by that name, "keeping one's powder dry" and all that. Or might it refer to the explosive power of the powder, nicely connecting back to the traditional "thunder box"?
Don't you guys have a magazine in your house? How on earth do you keep your canon primed?
(or do you just go to the neighbours and ask to borrow a cup of gunpowder?)
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I think there's a(deleted?) scene in Pulp Fiction where whatshername says - you can *like* both, but you can only , truly, deeply, in the bottom of yr heart, *love* one, and you gotta choose.
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And even if you dislike the guy he actually cracked some interesting but ignored albums. I’ve only covered McCartney in the Seventies and the Eighties so far, the Nineties come next week.
In those great music dicotomies that anoraks like - "you can love John or Paul, but not both" - I've decided I'm a Paul - Maybe I'm Amazed and Every Night more thn make up for your occasional frog choruses...
The others:
Beatles v Elvis - I'm definitely The Beatles
Beatles v Stones - I prove the whole process is flawed cos I am definitely both....
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The idea is that the ANC would become the main competition in NZ each year
Agreed, but not just in terms of length - in terms of a quality, NZ exclusive competition
What you guys are arguing for is essentially exactly what we already have.
Not al all. What we have now is five teams with specific and exclusive bases based on geography. As it stands HB cannot be a S14 franchise base so S14 games will not be played there as a matter of course, and players are dependent on the whim of the S14 franchises to pick them. Under a "qualification" system like the Saffas started with, if HB finish in the Top 5, Napier will be their base - their reward for success.
The idea of a subsequent draft is just confusing the matter - it's a way to address the concerns of those who see Super rugby as a necessary qualification for national selection (and looking back, a second-tier international provincial comp woul eliminate that need altogether).
My main point is that franchising is distorting the game at provincial level, not the S14 itself (though the S14 is way too big and clunky as it stands).
The Champions league style comp would run at the start of the season and be over before the ANC kicked off.
And there is the other issue: is there time to run two competitions like this in the rugby year?
In fact, the FA picks the national team from every player eligible by nationality, no matter where they play.
In the NZ context, let's go back to picking on NPC form, rather than the closed shop that is the S14, eliminating the franchises will do that.
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I think I just repeated all of Simon's points :)
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Forget the draft Simon.
You don't reward unsuccessful players in unsuccessful teams. You take the teams that qualified and go with them. You don't see Manchester United or Arsenal etc drafting in top players from other sides for the Champions League.
Have to disagree. The structure of the game is fundamentally too different for that analogy to work. Professional football in Europe is geared towards the clubs and their success. We want a structure in NZ rugby that drives representative success - in particular AB success (though I appreciate this may be a moot point).
Allowing a limited draft (say 5 players added to a squad of 30 to give a S14 squad of 35) enables players (developing or otherwise - say Daivd Holwell for Northland) access to top level rugby, as per Simon's point. It also means that developing players are less tempted to move to a big union to ensure they play S14 (for a start, Welly aren't guaranteed to finish in the Top 5)
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What every post here says to me is that the franchise model is what's fucking things up - the franchises are unnecessary and merely duplicate work that could be done at provincial level. I say the top five finishers are our S14 reps, and the next four play in some other comp (though money will be a major factor in that) and the tenth team goes down.
WRT the relegation system - it's not like the NZRU to make things more complicated than they need to be is it? Perhaps they should have relegated two teams this year, and two teams next year, based solely on table position - rather than send everyone down at once.