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  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    Ooppss (wrong line on the spreadsheet)... that of course should have read:

    And...

    City Councils - People per councillor
    Brisbane - 36,635
    Gold Coast - 33,171
    Old Auckland City - 21,525
    Old North Shore City - 13,456
    Wellington City - 12,560
    Sydney - 16,880
    Darwin - 5,487
    Melbourne - 7,466
    Hobart - 4,067
    Adelaide - 1,700
    Perth - 1,493
    New Auckland Council - 70,560

    So the proposed Auckland Council has half the 'representation' of Brisbane City

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    James...

    Local Government Act 2002
    4 Treaty of Waitangi - In order to recognise and respect the Crown's responsibility to take appropriate account of the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi and to maintain and improve opportunities for Maori to contribute to local government decision-making processes, Parts 2 and 6 provide principles and requirements for local authorities that are intended to facilitate participation by Maori in local authority decision-making processes.

    So councils have a legal responsibility to respect the GOVERNMENT'S obligations, take account of Treaty principles and include Maori in decision making process. As well as a raft of other obligations flowing from other law.

    But beyond all that we are two partners in an agreement and we all have a moral obligation to respect it, in all that we do.

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    without attempting to put into law a particular level of representation of a particular ethnicity

    Matthew, this is not about ethnicity! It is about contractually guaranteed soverenty and guardianship of their lands and treasures. A Treaty cannot be disregarded or ignored simply because it is old.

    If you want to sit down and re-negotiate the Treaty I doubt that you would get the deal now that we did then!

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    And...

    City Councils - People per councillor
    Brisbane - 36,635
    Gold Coast - 33,171
    Old Auckland City - 21,525
    Old North Shore City - 13,456
    Wellington City - 12,560
    Sydney - 16,880
    Darwin - 5,487
    Melbourne - 7,466
    Hobart - 4,067
    Adelaide - 1,700
    Perth - 1,493
    New Auckland Council - 117,600

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    And...

    STATE - # of councils - Ave pop
    Queensland - 158 - 32,016
    New Zealand - 73 - 56,702
    New South Wales - 150 - 45,342
    Victoria - 79 - 64,446
    Western Australia - 142 - 14,443
    South Australia - 70 - 22,750
    Northern Territory - 39 - 18,925
    Tasmania - 29 - 16,860

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    Here's a question for those of you with more knowledge/time to check Wikipedia: are there any other cities *of a similar population size and geographic area* which we can compare this set-up to? Most of the comparisons I've seen have been to places like Sydney (5 million in the urban area) or London (11 million.)

    That's OK Lucy... it gives me a chance to comment! This argument, in complete dismissal of the facts really annoys me!

    Largest 10 councils in Australasia in order
    1st - Brisbane - 989,152
    2nd - Gold Coast - 497,568
    3rd - Auckland City - 430,500
    4th - Christchurch City - 360,400
    5th - Manukau City - 339,500
    6th - Blacktown - 287,634
    7th - Casey - 223,424
    8th - North Shore City - 215,300
    9th - Sutherland Shire - 214,030
    10th - Greater Geelong - 207,515

    Sydney City Council - 152,000
    Melbourne City Council - 67,000
    Perth City Council - 13,500
    Adelaide City Council - 15,300

    Auckland is too fragmented with 4 metro councils... Melbourne seems to do just fine with 29!

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    Another way to look at it is that if the Europeans want representation, they can go back to Europe

    Brilliant!

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    One could also argue that the Treaty doesn't apply to local government

    That must be why local government has been the largest taker of Maori land for public works then?

    I will now remove tongue from cheek... but then again perhaps I shouldn't?

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    It would take an absence of non-Maori (sic) under the current system to convince me that they need special treatment.

    Sharples made the point that they had stood multiple Maori candidates in Waitakere - some with national status, with not result to date.

    North Shore elected a Polynesian councillor for several terms. In Auckland about the last Maori councillor I can remember was Sandra Lee.

    So yes, I guess that you can say that there is an absence of Maori on councils.

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

  • Discussion: Regarding Auckland,

    Will there be any recourse for submissions to the Local Govt Commission as they build the details for this?

    It is very definately going to be on the (very) fast track, but the Commission has the task of setting the ward and local board boundaries. At this point it is to be assumed that there will be consultation on this in line with the existing law.

    The announcement set the wards at 12, but it does give discretion to the Commission for the number of local board areas minus Gt Barrier and Waiheke Island that get their own

    Hamilton • Since Jun 2007 • 179 posts Report

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