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Hard News: The song is not the same

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  • robbery,

    where's Rob?

    waiting for you to direct people to the points you've already stated
    (drum roll, cymbal crash)

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • bob daktari,

    Bob/Rob we're all the same under the hood

    as for DRM, it was always flawed, treating the declining number of legal music consumers as potential crooks by limiting what they could do with their purchase only lead to many millions simply giving up on buying music - alongside other media that can be digitalised

    treat your customers with respect and they will (generally) return that trust - music industry failing #1

    auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 540 posts Report

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Off topic (I know there was a discussion in an earlier post, but I'm a little too lazy to find it) but before we move PA System from it's beta-phase, can we fix up the problem with italics?

    It's always looked like the gap between the close of an italicisation and the next word was a little small, but I put that down to the characters being slanted, and filling up some of the gap.

    It's taken me a very long time to figure out what it actually going on. The first character after an italicisation (usually a space, sometimes punctuation) goes missing (at least in the preview, I'll find out if it's in the comment proper when I press post... )

    My first paragraph in this comment includes a question mark in my typing box, and the third a space after "very". Neither shows up in the preview.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Neither shows up in the preview.

    Nor it seems, after I press post!!

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report

  • robbery,

    music industry failing #1

    interestingly this isn't a failing when applied to nightclubs where its considered par for the course to treat your customer like cattle, cue em in lines, search em, treat em rough, soon enough people accept it as part of going out.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    waiting for you to direct people to the points you've already stated
    (drum roll, cymbal crash)

    I can pretty much sum them up with the two words: about time

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    interestingly this isn't a failing when applied to nightclubs where its considered par for the course to treat your customer like cattle, cue em in lines, search em, treat em rough, soon enough people accept it as part of going out.

    I guess it depends on yer nightclub. We always tried to treat folks with respect, provide them with quality entertainment at a good price and searched no-one. Worked for us for almost two decades. I guess that's all people are asking of the recording industry.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • bob daktari,

    there is always a slight chance that an evening in a nightclub will lead to sex with another human thus people will endure any sort of treatment to get in on that action (you think people go clubbing for music - well some do, me for one and we go home sad and lonely)

    imagine if the same could be said of music stores - think they'd be closing... hell no!

    auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 540 posts Report

  • robbery,

    I can pretty much sum them up with the two words: about time

    I can sum it up in one: "yawn".
    or "predictable", as in roll your eyes.

    hardly a well won battle for the good of civilization, more like winning a small point and then escalating the battle to even worse proportions.

    drm's the last of anyone's pirating worries at the moment though.
    I personally don't care about it, it's a media hyped red herring.
    ip level monitoring, now that's something to worry about.

    RIAA taps ISP's to fight downloading

    That was so predictable even I predicted it over a year ago. and its also the thin edge of the wedge.


    couple that with this (times article police set to step up hacking of home computers) and you'll be begging for the good old days of companies trying to stop multiple copies of their product being circulated through illegal channels by trying to restrict the copyablity of said files.
    I'm so glad I don't by into the whole digital downloads thing, 78 rpm cylinders all the way for me.

    smirk at sam f's comment. ya cheeky fuck.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • 3410,

    ... can we fix up the problem with italics

    Seconded.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    you think people go clubbing for music

    [putting on concerned father voice]..hell most kids in clubs these days are so trolleyed they have no idea exactly WTF they are.

    I'm jealous.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    RIAA taps ISP's to fight downloading

    RIAA is slowly collapsing into a who the fuck cares what they think status and the DRM flag has playing a fairly obvious part in that collapse. As one industry voice said to me over Xmas, the day when Warner Music is purchased by some Ukrainian Gas company for 50c a share ain't that far off.

    Meanwhile the musical sky has not fallen in and you'd better a grinch to suggest that the quality and range (and availability) of popular music is as healthy as it's ever been.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • robbery,

    and you'd better a grinch

    christmas is over pops, speak in english :)

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    christmas is over pops, speak in english :)

    Depends where you are in the world. Here in Indo it lasts until the next major holiday. They know how to celebrate (and here in the land of 200m Muslims, know how to do Christmas decorations with somewhat more flair than I saw in the homeland).

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • robbery,

    As one industry voice said to me over Xmas, the day when Warner Music is purchased by some Ukrainian Gas company for 50c a share ain't that far off.

    that's so old school of you to think of the music 'industry' in terms of what happens to major labels. aren't we well past that now?

    ISP monitoring is going to be all about movies and video files, and the fringe benefit winners on that game may well be music copyright holders,.... or not,

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    that's so old school of you to think of the music 'industry' in terms of what happens to major labels. aren't we well past that now?

    Rob, it was you who posted the letters RIAA. That is the old school.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • robbery,

    Christmas decorations with somewhat more flair than I saw in the homeland

    don't they just, its an all day breakfast of token lights and decorations there. as I mentioned on another thread nz didn't seem to be going for the new year thing at all this year, with no free terrestrial tv doing the usual countdown or yearly round up. My japanese partner noted the complete apathy with which the locals did anything 'festive' compared to the japanese example I had witnessed in 2006 which saw the town go up in one big fireball of light, ok, not quite but ..... it was impressive, if somewhat meaningless, but pretty.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • robbery,

    it was you who posted the letters RIAA. That is the old school.

    I did also say thin edge of the wedge.
    RIAA is more than 3 old fucks round a table these days though,
    even rianz is working to con the youngsters into their midst recently, possibly pushed by that megalith wannabe major Independent music new zealand (IMNZ). (how can they be independent if they're a group with membership fees board meetings and minutes? that's just confusing)

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    RIAA is more than 3 old fucks round a table these days though

    But not a lot more despite the pretensions (BTW there are 4 majors not 3). However they still account for some 60% of all music sold worldwide (but not, I'd be pretty confident saying, listened to) and even more in the US.

    That informationweek story is an admission of earlier incompetence more than anything else. More wild flailing....

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • robbery,

    That informationweek story is an admission of earlier incompetence more than anything else. More wild flailing....

    more an admission that its all pr and hype, that you've got to pretend you're being nice so that grumpy media commentators won't get the community up in arms against you.

    Having a legal and reasonable business stand point isn't enough it seems.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • robbery,

    actually I read that informationweek story as a thin edge of the wedge approach.
    They're being all smilie and no invasive to get their foot in the door and then once we accept that (we're just going to warn you with a nice polite email, honest) they'll step it up. once they've experimented with the options they've got with free view into the worlds behavior on line.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report

  • Simon Grigg,

    Having a legal and reasonable business stand point isn't enough it seems.

    Nope it's pretending the sky has fallen in when it hasn't.

    They're being all smilie and no invasive to get their foot in the door

    I don't think 'they' have quite the all pervasive muscle they might think they have. The slow inevitable death of DRM and the reaction to the incredibly stupid Granny-suites are evidence of that. The people do still have some muscle of their own, it just needs to be flexed correctly.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3284 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Correctly?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Tony Siu,

    I think I'm going to flame war on this...
    But seriously, promoting full page view, new templates and outline mode as new features in iWork shows how hard Apple have fallen.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 82 posts Report

  • Blake Monkley,

    I'm jealous.

    Simon, I miss the pea and carrot conversations.

    Auckland • Since Jul 2008 • 215 posts Report

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