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Hard News: The Real Threat

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  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    the new story

    Idiot/Savant notes Carter first claimed that records were requested but not supplied, and now supplied but not requested.

    Henry claims that he never requested those records, and had instead been seeking records of Ministers. But its hard to see why they would have been supplied except in response to a direct request. Interestingly, last week Carter said they were requested. Given that he's now changed his story twice, I'm not sure we can trust him to be telling the truth now.

    I can't see how Datacom could accidentally pull Vance's phone records as well unless she was specifically named - by whoever in Parliamentary Services manages their ongoing relationship. What a shame someone can't OIA the service request.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Stephen R,

    how rarely the initial denial is followed up by the reporters to whom it is given

    You'd think given recent history they would learn to treat everything said to them by politicians or their staff as a well-planned lie needing further questions and verification. #tame

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls, in reply to Sacha,

    It's a simple tradeoff between accuse or access, innit?

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    Idiot/Savant notes Carter first claimed that records were requested but not supplied, and now supplied but not requested.

    And now Dunne has said without qualification that Henry told him he was requesting his phone records so he could compare them with Vance's. There's no other way way to read that than that Henry was also seeking -- and got! -- Vance's phone records.

    The only way it could get worse is if it were to emerge that the PM's office has had a larger than role than hitherto supposed.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Sacha,

    I can’t see how Datacom could accidentally pull Vance’s phone records as well unless she was specifically named – by whoever in Parliamentary Services manages their ongoing relationship.

    I can't see why a journalist - any journalist - would use Parliament's phone system rather than his/her own cellphone. Are Parliament running their own cell site and logging all the calls?

    What a shame someone can’t OIA the service request.

    Yes. Isn't it? It's a huge hole in the OIA that the Parlaimentary offices are not included.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Attachment

    OK, after a few false starts, it's finally available as a T-shirt print.

    (Un)Official Merchandise Of The GCSB

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    As a mate said on Facebook:

    If you've got nothing to hide, can I have your curtains?"

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • BLiP,

    John Key’s GCSB lies . . . to date:

    Iain Rennie came to me and recommended Fletcher or the GCSB job

    I told Cabinet that I knew Ian Fletcher

    I forgot that after I scrapped the shortlist for GCSB job I phoned a life-long friend to tell him to apply for the position

    I told Iain Rennie I would contact Fletcher

    for 30 years, or three decades, I didn’t have any dinners or lunches or breakfasts with Ian Fletcher

    I did not mislead the House (14)

    I have no reason to doubt at this stage that Peter Dunne did not leak the GCSB report

    I called directory service to get Ian Fletcher’s number

    the new legislation narrows the scope of the GCSB

    The GCSB has been prevented from carrying out its functions]] because of the law governing its functions

    because the opposition is opposed the GCSB law ammendments, parliamentary urgency is required

    the increasing number of cyber intrusions which I can’t detail or discuss prove that the GCSB laws need to be extended to protect private enterprise

    it was always the intent of the GCSB Act to be able to spy on New Zealanders on behalf of the SIS and police

    National Ltd™ is not expanding the activities of the GCSB with this new law

    cyber terrorists have attempted to gain access to information about weapons of mass destruction held on New Zealand computers

    the law which says the GCSB cannot spy on New Zealanders is not clear

    the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was an isolated incident

    first I heard I heard about Kim Dotcom was on 19 January 2012

    first I heard about the illegal spying on Kim Dotcom was in September

    I did not mislead the House (6)

    I won’t be discussing Kim Dotcom during my Hollywood visit.

    The Human Rights Commission couldn’t get its submission on the GCSB legislation in on time.

    it would cost too much for the police and SIS to carry out the spying on New Zealanders that this new legislation will permit

    critics of the GCSB legislation, including the Law Society, the Human Rights Commission, and the Privacy Commission are all uninformed

    we do not spy on journalists

    I wasn’t aware that my own Chief of Staff was instructing Parliamentary Services to hand over information concerning journalist Andrea Vance

    Auckland • Since Sep 2009 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood, in reply to nzlemming,

    I can’t see why a journalist – any journalist – would use Parliament’s phone system rather than his/her own cellphone

    I wasn't really following it, but on the radio news this morning, someone from the parliamentary press gallery said something like "having to use a Parliamentary Services supplied phone they pay rental on" and from the context it sounded like they were talking about a cellphone.

    I am deeply curious about what the actual communications relationships are.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1445 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    a minor cavil...
    Memo to radio & print journalists and some politicians:
    Please note it is correctly the Parliamentary Service
    not Parliamentary Services - a technicality perhaps
    but important legal cases can be lost on details and technicalities.

    Accuracy and attention to detail are important for both
    journalists and politicians, not just lawyers and accountants.

    Its creator Sir Geoffrey Palmer always gets it right!

    </pedantic quibble>

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell, in reply to BLiP,

    John Key's GCSB lies . . . to date:

    BLiP: check out how to make a link here at the bottom of the page

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BLiP,

    BLiP, that's a good set of links, but please be aware that we don't support real HTML in this forum. The formatting codes are below every composition box.

    It took me a while to untangle it all ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to nzlemming,

    It's a huge hole in the OIA that the Parlaimentary offices are not included

    deliberately made that way by our politicians.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Trevor Nicholls,

    accuse or access

    and the pendulum swings acording to the mood of the politicians and media over time

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Another wrinkle courtesy of ZB gallery reporter Felix Marwick:

    @PeterDunneMP now says Henry Inquiry was aware of cell ph calls he'd made despite never asking for his cell ph call records

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Brilliance by Scott Yorke, collating David Farrar's tireless speaking of truth to power over ... the Electoral Finance Bill.

    The current constitutional outrages? Er, not so much ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    Eh, isn't it rather that one lesson of the Vance affair is that Parliamentary Service isn't OIA-able for this precise reason?

    (That the business of Parliament requires a degree of confidentiality that doesn't sit well with the presumption of openness in the OIA.)

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    Sir Geoffrey Palmer said on air today that he wanted it to be 'OIA-able' but was defeated by Cabinet.
    Listen here (mp3)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    (Un)Official Merchandise Of The GCSB

    You could take it into a whole other league with
    The GCSBW...
    </fifth tackle, here's your ball back>
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Attachment Attachment Attachment

    Just for fun, here are the posters I used on my Tri-placard© at Saturday’s march in Chchch…
    The printed ones didn’t have the digital disturbance and artefacts, they happened when I exported them from FreeHand, but I think they add to the concept nicely – feel free to share and use them as you wish, if you wish…

    apologies to IRD, Frasier and Shepard Fairey

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Yeah, Sir Geoffrey would have (and Cabinet would have overruled him.) But I just don't think that the Parliamentary Service is the same kind of thing as the public service, and I just don't think that the OIA (as it stands) is a good oversight mechanism.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    Parliamentary Service isn't OIA-able for this precise reason

    that was the argument, yes. Privileges Committee should be able to unravel this - if all its members cooperate.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Euan Mason,

    How do we break through the profound apathy of the "If you have done no wrong then you have nothing to hide, Jack" brigade?

    Exactly but I wonder how many of that brigade stand by JK"s secret deals with Sky City or Warner Bros.
    Double standards or what?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,

    What a curious article. On the one hand:

    Major international syndicates all appear on the top 20 criminal target lists of Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Britain and Canada. "The results were telling," Clare said. "We are all targeting the same people."

    Funny these particular five countries would be listed...

    And then, of course, the usual "the internet is the portal to Hell" technophobia.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    “If you have done no wrong then you have nothing to hide, Jack”
    ...JK"s secret deals with Sky City or Warner Bros.

    and the TPPA for that matter.
    Wotcher trying to hide there, John?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

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