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Rich Lock, in reply to
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I’ve addressed that particular issue extensively over time Russell, often being attacked for it. In fact I was banned from Whale Oil for going and confronting their attitude to rape and Tania Billingsley. This is what I posted there:http://yournz.org/2014/07/12/why-theres-anger-murray/How often have you gone and stood up to them Russell?
So they way to deal with these people is to go to their website and post comments until you're banned? Righto.
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nzlemming, in reply to
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I guess it depends on what you value in your discussions. But that’s a pretty sad (albeit not unusual) sort of comment for a political forum.
I'm sure it's one you're used to seeing.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
I think we are. It's not often I recommend dumping someone from PAS but does Pete George really add any value to the discussions?
I could always dust off my visual Swiftian salute. ;D
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
I could always dust off my visual Swiftian salute. ;D
If you want to provoke the longest exit since Rasputin. ;D
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Sacha, in reply to
We will check the links you post so if they don't actually support your argument don't bother.
'hey it worked on other blogs'
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Sacha, in reply to
does Pete George really add any value
beige blanket
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Re. Mr George:
Not everyone's cup of tea and offensive to some, but this reads like bullying to me. I see him as somehow earnest and wanting to engage others to consider his views. It's almost brave on some level, knowing it's a tough crowd.
It's a fine line on who's being dirty sometimes.
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
I see him as somehow earnest and wanting to engage others to consider his views.
With a similar level of generosity the same could be said of Penny Bright, who probably would be all over this place given the opportunity.
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Yeah I know…but still. Either kick him off or let him go relatively unscathed. There'll be no middle ground.
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I'm hoping everything Key says forever, some cheeky journalist is going to earnestly ask: "When you say you're off to Palmy in the morning- is that you you or the PM's office off to Palmy? Just to be sure I've got this straight."
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
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It’s a fine line on who’s being dirty sometimes.
And then the gang mentality kicks in with a viciousness that makes this place as scary as Kiwiblog on a bad day.
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Michael Savidge, in reply to
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And then the gang mentality kicks in with a viciousness that makes this place as scary as Kiwiblog on a bad day.
Well I don't think it's ever going to be that bad here. People step in...
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nzlemming, in reply to
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For Pete’s sake, a little humanity goes a long way.
Nice pun, but it goes both ways.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Sorry if I’ve missed it Pete, but have you at any point devoted any of your unending outrage towards the actual hideous content of that rape conversation? Or expressed sympathy for the young women being targeted by these creeps?
{ETA: Sorry, Russell. I'm replying to your comment, but none of this is specifically directed at you.}
Wonder if anyone would like to consider whether there's quite a few Young Nat women (many of whom I consider friends and colleagues) who might have got the point several days ago that Messers Lusk and Slater consider them "retards" and "filthy" and don't really need to keep being told that by anyone.
I've been having private conversations with women -- and not past or present Young Nats, but all of whom I consider friends and in many cases close colleagues -- who are really finding the way these e-mails are being talked about seriously unsafe.
Here's something I said on the Tanya Billingsley thread, which I seriously think is relevant here :--
And I don’t think I was the only person more than a little… disquieted by how sharply the victim of a crime got elbowed out of the way so media commentators could get to the “real issue” – how it affected the political interests of an awful lot of men both in New Leeland [sic] and Malaysia. IMO & YMMV, of course, but that seemed to me another symptom of how rape culture works – if you push rape victims to the margins of their own story, as it were, you don’t have to bother yourself with them. Right?
Guys (and it's mostly us chaps) please think twice how you're talking about that e-mail exchange, which could most genrously be described as casually & grotesquely misogynistic, and why. A lot of the commentary around this, and PAS is far from the worse, sure hits my ear as being less about sympathy or concerns for the safety of women in the Young Nats (or anywhere else) than scoring political points. This isn't just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.
This really isn't the last comment I wanted to post here for a while; I'm going to be on holiday and mostly offline for the next three weeks and won't be replying to responses anyway. But damn, people -- we're better than this.
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Kracklite, in reply to
Thank you, Craig.
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nzlemming, in reply to
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This isn’t just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.
Point. And taken. Have a good holiday, Craig.
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Journalist,David Fisher has given the Harold some good works this morning. He has Gerry Brownlees staff
He has more Collins staff/Slater preferences and
an overview
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Guys (and it’s mostly us chaps) please think twice how you’re talking about that e-mail exchange, which could most genrously be described as casually & grotesquely misogynistic, and why. A lot of the commentary around this, and PAS is far from the worse, sure hits my ear as being less about sympathy or concerns for the safety of women in the Young Nats (or anywhere else) than scoring political points. This isn’t just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.
Agreed. PG has introduced the topic into two separate threads now, to no useful end.
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Pete George, in reply to
Russell, I think it was you who introduced that particular topic:
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-never-mind-the-quality/?p=320974#post320974I was asked to link to proof that Hager got some things wrong in his book but didn't mention "the topic" in that.
Do you believe David Farrar's claim that Hager got that part of his book wrong (the topic being discussed at the time)?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Good grief. I'm not sure whether you're being disingenuous or just tone-deaf, but I can't be bothered with it any more. Goodbye.
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So as I read and understand it, the Herald have commentor logs from Whaleoil's site and can link "anonymous" (pseudonymous) posts, the email address the account was registered from, and the IP address of the machine that it was posed from. Browlee's press secretary just seems to have been identified by email address, but if the Herald have some good data analysis people they could do a lot more. This aspect may just be getting started.
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Sacha, in reply to
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applause
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
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Brownlee's press secretary just seems to have been identified by email address, but if the Herald have some good data analysis people they could do a lot more. This aspect may just be getting started.
The other best investigative journalist in the country is working on this. I suspect National's strategy people are changing their underwear on an hourly basis.
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A suggestion another website I read has a 'plonk' button on every posting press it and their posting header shows up but no content unless you click unplonk
Just like the usenet of old
Maybe put that on the nice to have list
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One thing I wondered after reading that article was: are there now two hackers with complementary material?
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