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Joe Wylie, in reply to
I see him as somehow earnest and wanting to engage others to consider his views.
With a similar level of generosity the same could be said of Penny Bright, who probably would be all over this place given the opportunity.
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Yeah I know…but still. Either kick him off or let him go relatively unscathed. There'll be no middle ground.
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I'm hoping everything Key says forever, some cheeky journalist is going to earnestly ask: "When you say you're off to Palmy in the morning- is that you you or the PM's office off to Palmy? Just to be sure I've got this straight."
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
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It’s a fine line on who’s being dirty sometimes.
And then the gang mentality kicks in with a viciousness that makes this place as scary as Kiwiblog on a bad day.
For Pete's sake, a little humanity goes a long way. -
Michael Savidge, in reply to
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And then the gang mentality kicks in with a viciousness that makes this place as scary as Kiwiblog on a bad day.
Well I don't think it's ever going to be that bad here. People step in...
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nzlemming, in reply to
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For Pete’s sake, a little humanity goes a long way.
Nice pun, but it goes both ways.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Sorry if I’ve missed it Pete, but have you at any point devoted any of your unending outrage towards the actual hideous content of that rape conversation? Or expressed sympathy for the young women being targeted by these creeps?
{ETA: Sorry, Russell. I'm replying to your comment, but none of this is specifically directed at you.}
Wonder if anyone would like to consider whether there's quite a few Young Nat women (many of whom I consider friends and colleagues) who might have got the point several days ago that Messers Lusk and Slater consider them "retards" and "filthy" and don't really need to keep being told that by anyone.
I've been having private conversations with women -- and not past or present Young Nats, but all of whom I consider friends and in many cases close colleagues -- who are really finding the way these e-mails are being talked about seriously unsafe.
Here's something I said on the Tanya Billingsley thread, which I seriously think is relevant here :--
And I don’t think I was the only person more than a little… disquieted by how sharply the victim of a crime got elbowed out of the way so media commentators could get to the “real issue” – how it affected the political interests of an awful lot of men both in New Leeland [sic] and Malaysia. IMO & YMMV, of course, but that seemed to me another symptom of how rape culture works – if you push rape victims to the margins of their own story, as it were, you don’t have to bother yourself with them. Right?
Guys (and it's mostly us chaps) please think twice how you're talking about that e-mail exchange, which could most genrously be described as casually & grotesquely misogynistic, and why. A lot of the commentary around this, and PAS is far from the worse, sure hits my ear as being less about sympathy or concerns for the safety of women in the Young Nats (or anywhere else) than scoring political points. This isn't just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.
This really isn't the last comment I wanted to post here for a while; I'm going to be on holiday and mostly offline for the next three weeks and won't be replying to responses anyway. But damn, people -- we're better than this.
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Kracklite, in reply to
Thank you, Craig.
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nzlemming, in reply to
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This isn’t just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.
Point. And taken. Have a good holiday, Craig.
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Journalist,David Fisher has given the Harold some good works this morning. He has Gerry Brownlees staff
He has more Collins staff/Slater preferences and
an overview
I’ll just add,I’m glad I support Pak’n’Save up North. -
Russell Brown, in reply to
Guys (and it’s mostly us chaps) please think twice how you’re talking about that e-mail exchange, which could most genrously be described as casually & grotesquely misogynistic, and why. A lot of the commentary around this, and PAS is far from the worse, sure hits my ear as being less about sympathy or concerns for the safety of women in the Young Nats (or anywhere else) than scoring political points. This isn’t just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.
Agreed. PG has introduced the topic into two separate threads now, to no useful end.
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Pete George, in reply to
Russell, I think it was you who introduced that particular topic:
http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-never-mind-the-quality/?p=320974#post320974I was asked to link to proof that Hager got some things wrong in his book but didn't mention "the topic" in that.
Do you believe David Farrar's claim that Hager got that part of his book wrong (the topic being discussed at the time)?
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Good grief. I'm not sure whether you're being disingenuous or just tone-deaf, but I can't be bothered with it any more. Goodbye.
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So as I read and understand it, the Herald have commentor logs from Whaleoil's site and can link "anonymous" (pseudonymous) posts, the email address the account was registered from, and the IP address of the machine that it was posed from. Browlee's press secretary just seems to have been identified by email address, but if the Herald have some good data analysis people they could do a lot more. This aspect may just be getting started.
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Sacha, in reply to
Goodbye
applause
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
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Brownlee's press secretary just seems to have been identified by email address, but if the Herald have some good data analysis people they could do a lot more. This aspect may just be getting started.
The other best investigative journalist in the country is working on this. I suspect National's strategy people are changing their underwear on an hourly basis.
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A suggestion another website I read has a 'plonk' button on every posting press it and their posting header shows up but no content unless you click unplonk
Just like the usenet of old
Maybe put that on the nice to have list
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One thing I wondered after reading that article was: are there now two hackers with complementary material?
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David Hood, in reply to
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my sense is that there may have several people independently* exploring the ruins of Slater's server as it fell over. But that is just speculation.
*independent in the sense of a bunch of unrelated people going "get him" at the same time
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nzlemming, in reply to
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Goodbye
applause
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From today's whaledump...
Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:54pm
rodney may get interesting today, if the party actually do what they say they will
changes to delegates, first meeting scrubbed
and extra two weeks until selection
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Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:55pmespecially when i post pienaars little immigration problem
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Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:55pmthe scott post yesterday was the one that will really fire them up
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Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:55pmthe homo post on gaynz is beautiful
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Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:56pmthere are a number of people who dont want scott
they should be paying you to write for them
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Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:56pmlots of people should be paying me to write for them
i hope Mark is up with the play on these posts
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Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:57pmyes am talking to him a lot
he is telling me that it is having a massive effect
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Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:57pmhehe
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Simon Lusk, 2/23, 6:58pmscott will be nervous now
that list is rigged
and he will be worried you will out him
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Cameron Slater, 2/23, 6:59pmi'll find out what dad thinks of it
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Simon Lusk, 2/23, 7:03pmhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8343030/Jeweller-grapples-robber-as-he-holds-gun-to-his-head.html
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Cameron Slater, 2/23, 7:03pmcalling him out..fucking awesome
adrenaline surge
hopefully i will get the email about peinar and hooton today
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Simon Lusk, 2/23, 7:13pmthat would be help keep the pressure on
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February 24, 2011
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Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:08ampinko loved that description of patricia morrison
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Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:10amhe rang me especially and is going to nominate me for an award of literary brilliance
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Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:10amyes it would be funny if it won that award
there would be a few people around that would lean on the judges just to wind up patricia
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Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:11amwas she worse thatn boag
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Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:11amdifferent from boag
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Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:11ammy old man rang...feeling out what info i've got
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Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:11aminteresting
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Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:12ami stabbed scott, alistaor and towers
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Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:12amdid that make him nervous?
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Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:12amhe snapped at me "Don't you want Scott to win?"
I replied.."Dad, I'm interested in a fair fight not some bullshit micro managed manipulation fo what is supposed to be a democratic process...i thought you were better than that"
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Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:13amit is a sin and shame that it wont be a fair fight if the 9th floor go nuclear
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Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:13amI added that i am so appalled at all teh cheating I think I'll out the lot of them
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Simon Lusk, 2/24, 4:13amthat is worth doing
list of delegates
why werent party luminaries given slots
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Cameron Slater, 2/24, 4:14amdodgy, lying cheating cunts...firstly at the branch level, secondly at the region and thirdly with Goodfellow
The plot thickens.
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Not that it really matters in the scheme of things but yesterday's Lusk2 dump indicates that while Lusk considers the young nats "retards", this was the reason he didn't want many of them coming to the party. Slater then requested that there be "just dirty girls who flip it up", with their status of being or not being a young nat presumably immaterial. Classy as ever.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
my sense is that there may have several people independently* exploring the ruins of Slater’s server as it fell over. But that is just speculation.
*independent in the sense of a bunch of unrelated people going “get him” at the same time
Fisher's source does seem to have different material. Plus it's possible either may have shared with someone other than Hager. Right when this started, one person tweeted me alluding to having "the whole site".
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The UBS's display of Dirty Politics has a great gimmick: a pile of sick-bags and a sign saying "FREE SICK-BAG with Dirty Politics (in case a sense of nausea over-whelms you !)."
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Why does Slater and his cabal so dislike Michelle Boag so much ? Any particular reason, or is it purely a clash if personalities ?
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