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  • Sacha,

    Redefining the word "clarify" in that story:

    In Monday's Herald, Mr Little said he had some personal concerns about the speech. He refused to specify but indicated there were issues about how it had been received by Maori.

    He subsequently clarified his position, saying he was comfortable with the speech.

    But clarifying who is accountable for the content of the speech (if not the title):

    There was not one dissenting voice, Mr Goff said, and the only concerns MPs had were with the way some media commentators had interpreted the speech.

    Oh, look over there.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Sam F,

    Oh, look over there.

    Well spotted!

    Phil Goff: Although he has moved quickly to divorce himself from Clark’s toxic legacy of competence, party discipline and sound political management voters are curiously unattracted to the new Labour leader.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report

  • Just thinking,

    Mean while Kates killing at twice the rate Helen ever did.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10614440

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    I was seriously pissed off by how bad FlashForward was because it had everything going for it: An intriguing premise based on a damn good novel by Robert J. Sawyer (that rare 'hard' SF writer who can also manage non-cardboard characterisation)

    As far as Canadian SF goes, I prefer Peter Watts and honorary Canadians such as Robert Charles Wilson and William Gibson, but that's my dark sense of humour.

    I'm just waiting for the rumours about The Forever War and Gateway being turned into films to come to fruition (and how are they for non-cardboard characterisation, eh?). Either would make good miniseries (more so than films, actually) and could generate good open-ended series as well.

    Hell, Niven's "Known Space" universe would be a good basis for a series. Even if, in essence, it's all set in a Californian lounge bar, it's a lot more damned fun than the earnest Star Trek and Puppeteers are certainly more interesting than Vulcans. When is TV SF going to catch up with the written form of even the sixties?(Coming soon to Channel Three: The Ticket That Exploded , starring...)

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    As Blackadder said, I think it rhymes with "clucking bell"

    Clapton/Cthulhu, Goff is so coitusing depressing.

    When I was an undergraduate when he was Minister of Ed and Annette King was my electorate MP, she sent an extremely patronising letter to me about the need to student fees when they had had essentially free educations. I think that was when Roger Douglas was PM. Now Goff thinks his PM is or should be Winston Peters. I can't intromissioning believe that they're running the whole penetrationing/invaginationing show now.

    What adds insult to injury is the sheer formation-of-complete-diploid-genoming incompetence of it after Clark.

    Zeus/Adama, there used to be a Labour Party once - my late father told me about it, so it must be true. If they existed now, I might vote for them.

    So they have Chris bloody Trotter's vote, Whoop-de-fucking (there, I said it!) -do.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

  • Ben.Shirmer,

    Now you cant blame developing nations for modelling their behaviour on us and suddenly hold them to a different set of standards.

    That's what our politicians try to do nowadays. I wouldn't blame them. But if you see that point you should be aware of the possibilities it offers to improve the situation.

    I just have more faith that the solution lies with a technological genius for our time coming along than the ability for governments to police big business.

    I had a couple of discussions about this topic with engineers concerned with issues of energy distribution and I share their opinion that the biggest potential for progress in energy management lies in the refinement of existing technology.

    Regarding the potential of regenerative energy, Germany, for example, has a theoretical potential to produce about third of its energy consumed by regenerative techniques.

    Welly • Since Nov 2009 • 46 posts Report

  • Ben.Shirmer,

    When lil p gets going, everything in the neighbourhood seems to get contaminated for me.

    It is quite amusing how a single individual can distract you so much from the discussion and create such a hostility against every stranger arriving.

    I wouldn't talk about him as a parasite because the exclusion of an unwanted opinion is always a loss to the debating community.

    There actually are emerging some interesting questions out of his comments that haven't be discussed sufficiently in the recent scientific debate.

    Welly • Since Nov 2009 • 46 posts Report

  • Ben.Shirmer,

    I have no doubt that technology will deliver some surprises, but that is assuming that we can continue technological development... and that is dependent on economic circumstances

    Kracklite, you are right describing economy as part of the ecosystem. That is a thought, which could lead us to an application of ecosystem principles, like cycling loops and overall system performance, in our economic system.

    This would be a big step forward, though we have to give up our dreams of uninterrupted economic growth and refer to the idea of a stable economic balance with a better distribution of resources.

    Welly • Since Nov 2009 • 46 posts Report

  • Islander,

    It isnt quite so amusing, Ben Shirmer, when aforesaid individual has been making obxoious & indeed incoherent comments for some time. Whether they are male/female/neuter is unknown, but they do have a history of being banned and springing up again, almost immediately, under another name. Which is why when you & another thing turned up, my suspicions were immediately aroused. Heoi.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    That is a thought, which could lead us to an application of ecosystem principles, like cycling loops and overall system performance, in our economic system.

    One of the serious problems I have with the big-G Greens is their devotion, actually, fixation on the zero-sum game of an earth-based economy, which leads into a labyrinth of ever-diminishing circles. That might be OK for a limited population of about a hundred million globally subsisting on cold lentils, but certainly not for seven billion or more who - damn them for being human - like steak.

    Utilising the resources of the broader Solar System would break us out of that bind, but the proponents of space-based economic growth at of the ultra-capitalist type who see simply unlimited horizons of consumption - I suspect that they would be very surprised to find that the key to survival in a harsh environment lies in maximising efficiency and minimising both consumption and waste, so space colonisation might well offer guides to healthy green living in unexpected ways...

    Actually, engineers working in the area of space architecture are applying the lessons that they've learned to habitats in Antarctica and developing nations where efficiency is essential...

    I just wish that the Greens would overcome their ingrained Luddism and appreciate advanced science and technology as being necessary to support a population of billions because a population few thousand Ents ain't gonna happen, 'cos nice doesn't equal real. I also wish that the ultracapitalists would realise that the ultimate expansion of their dreams off-world will teach them lessons - eg. an application of ecosystem principles, like cycling loops and overall system performance - they don't want to learn.

    Since Ecksmass is nearing, I also wish that Santa Claus was real beacuse the Sanity Clause has long since been ruled to be hopelessly impractial.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    my suspicions were immediately aroused.

    And for many of us reading. I don't particularly mind all those other persona either only because if I dont like what I read I avoid it next time. Now abuse really don't have any ground for me, but Islander is not one of those, it seems to be the ones that constantly attack Islander. Some sort of insecurity? Perhaps, but no one claimed to be a therapist and everyone is allowed until abuse is used. Then it's just rude.Sorry Ben Shirmer, your timing called for it and as you defended yourself, that has been accepted. Still, I am sorry, not completely sure, it's ok but, I just don't care. :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report

  • Ben.Shirmer,

    As far as I can see, he was just questioning the contradiction you were creating in this posting, where you deny any knowledge about animal awareness of mortality at the first point and state it as a fact later on in the same sentence.

    I have no idea whether other species are aware of their incipient mortality - though many many species are aware of death/proximity of death

    Welly • Since Nov 2009 • 46 posts Report

  • Ben.Shirmer,

    I just wish that the Greens would overcome their ingrained Luddism and appreciate advanced science and technology as being necessary to support a population of billions because a population few thousand Ents ain't gonna happen, 'cos nice doesn't equal real.

    As proven by calculations, which Jared Diamond refers to in his book 'Collapse' the earth can sustain an efficient community of a couple of billions (should be at least a billion more than nowadays).

    The problem that we are actually facing today is a exponential growth of the population compared to a linear growth of food production, with a big part of the population starving in our present situation.

    Welly • Since Nov 2009 • 46 posts Report

  • pollywog,

    But if you see that point you should be aware of the possibilities it offers to improve the situation.

    ...and the best they can come up with is " here, have a large sum of money to do as i say not as i do"

    i take your point about better management of the energy systems we have but the type of technology i 'm thinking of is sum next level shit:)

    somewhere else • Since Dec 2009 • 152 posts Report

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Sweet.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    Now abuse really don't have any ground for me

    Now I'm not the most civil of individuals here, and when I'm uncivil, I don't necessarily redeem myself with colourful wit (Hi, Craig), but I do have to say that I avoid most blogs as I would tar babies because of their intractible tendency towards simian poo-flinging. PA is attractive to me because of its avoidance of that sort of behaviour.

    I'd be most disappointed if it descended to those depths as routine, and alas, there seems to be rather a lot of it here lately.

    (In Wellington, it's the humid Northerlies that sets me on edge and I suspect that I have strange form or Seasonal Affective Disorder that causes me to be depressed an irritable during our alleged "Spring", but that can hardly apply to everyone everywhere.)

    What makes PA and Hard news so attractive is the tacit mutual agreement that it should be actively maintained as a polite venue - or at least a place where disagreement is viewed only as disagreement and not an intrinsic moral deficiency.

    I'm personally surprised at how light a hand RB has to use, but then perhaps I undervalue the understanding of the majority of participants here.

    where you deny any knowledge about animal awareness of mortality at the first point and state it as a fact later on in the same sentence.

    OK, now that's an interesting philosophical issue. There's no need to be so aggressive about it. Make a suggestion, propose a counter-argument. That will be much more interesting than a mere condemnation. Best of all, provide evidence.

    As for Conseisuyewgfyiuee8yua7rty-I don't care whatever their handle is, or Lil more-cat-walking-across-keyboard, I just filter that out. Offensiveness can be ignored - life, after all, is far too short to take insults from idiots seriously (though Blake says in his Proverbs of Hell, "Listen to the fool's tirade - it is a kingly title."). Incoherent gibberish pretending to be artiness is even less interesting than white noise. I just skip it and I'm sure a lot of other people do too. I'm sure that the worst thing than any narcissist can experience - and all trolls are essentially narcissists - is to be ignored not because they are rude, but to be casually ignored because it is plainly obvious that they are irrelevant idiots who have never had anything to say and never will.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

  • pollywog,

    Incoherent gibberish pretending to be artiness is even less interesting than white noise.

    heh...incoherent gibberish pretending to be intellectual discourse is plain hilarious though

    BTW tar babies is an interesting turn of phrase especially when combined with simian poo slinging.

    Tar baby is a synonym for nigger, except that it is only used in bigoted manners, whereas nigger can be a sign of respect, if the speaker is also African American.

    It comes from a children's story in which the dark skin and seeming ignorance (caused by a lack of schooling) of slaves were explained by the idea that black children were baptised in tar, which made them dark and dumb.

    somewhere else • Since Dec 2009 • 152 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    As proven by calculations, which Jared Diamond refers to in his book 'Collapse' the earth can sustain an efficient community of a couple of billions (should be at least a billion more than nowadays).

    I'm afraid that that is simply incomprehensible. First, asserting that something is "proven by calculations" as an absolute in such matters is rather naive ("the theory was correct, but unfortunately reality was at fault") and the following statement that "a couple of billions" is "at least a billion more than the present population of approximately seven billion" makes no sense. Moreover, whether or not a given number exists now is irrelevant - the question is whether they can continue to exist. I might agree with you, but I have no idea what you are trying to say.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    they are irrelevant idiots who have never had anything to say and never will.

    I start to wonder if there is a 21st century schizoid man, (thank-you King Crimson) hanging about or is this an actually interesting study... then, I don't sweat the small shit.I think we have some similar view eh kracklite ?. Filter. Needs more cow bell.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    heh...incoherent gibberish pretending to be intellectual discourse is plain hilarious though

    Ah, those damned "intellectuals". Of course...

    It comes from a children's story in which the dark skin and seeming ignorance (caused by a lack of schooling) of slaves were explained by the idea that black children were baptised in tar, which made them dark and dumb.

    That is an interesting example of cultural history.

    Do you mean to call me a racist? Is so, say so outright. An admission that you are using ad hominem argument would show that you have nothing to say.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    Needs more cow bell.

    That's the prescription.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    heh...incoherent gibberish pretending to be intellectual discourse is plain hilarious though

    Oh, and don't forget the premodifier, "So-called" - that's de rigeur.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

  • pollywog,

    Do you mean to call me a racist?

    Au contraire mon Br'er, suffice to say Br'er Fox played on Br'er Rabbit's vanity and gullibility to goad him into attacking the fake baby and becoming stuck.

    ahh... ad hominem , another interesting turn of phrase

    http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html

    somewhere else • Since Dec 2009 • 152 posts Report

  • Keir Leslie,

    The problem that we are actually facing today is a exponential growth of the population compared to a linear growth of food production, with a big part of the population starving in our present situation.

    Malthusianism: getting it wrong for 200 years and counting.

    (Hint: the demographic transition means that assuming population growth is exponential is just wrong. And, of course, linear increase in food production is a bit of a suspicious assumption.)

    I also think that the Green obsession with zero-growth economics is a tad embarrassing.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report

  • Kracklite,

    Answer the question. Do you mean to call me a racist or are you trolling?

    Alright, I confess; I am not interested in your answer as it is quite clear without sorting through the thickets of insinuation, that you are simply indulging your own narcissism as you have avoided any issue of substance and are now concerned only with the mere forms of discourse.

    Goodnight and goodbye.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report

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