Hard News: Jones: The contender leaves
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Kelvin Davis has published a Facebook post expanding on his comments about confronting violence against women and listing his other priorities as an MP.
I don't recall anything of this clarity and purpose from Shane Jones in nine years.
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bmk, in reply to
On the other hand, we have men (more than one) saying how they wives and other women won't be supporting Labour because of the way the new Labour leader dresses.
If you are referring to me - I wasn't saying that. My partner found the way he appeared smarmy and fake most off-putting and untrustworthy. She hasn't yet decided who to vote for and could well end up voting for Labour - this though would appear to be in spite of Cunliffe than because of it. The dress comment was made in passing rather than being the substantial thrust of her criticisms - which were more to do with both his mannerisms and what he said than what he was wearing.
As for Kelvin Davis I think it's great that he's back in - he's an incredibly impressive candidate. However, it's criminal that he wasn't in before - he should have had a much higher list placing last election.
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Rob Hosking, in reply to
If you obligingly providing a ten car pile up, it’s a little rich to complain when people slow down to look.)
Yup. And bloody hell, the number of business folk I used to hear complaining about the awful left wing pro-Labour NZ Herald would make you weep.
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Meanwhile last night Key's enjoying dinner at the Act Party fundraiser for Seymour.So many dinners So little time.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
As for Kelvin Davis I think it’s great that he’s back in – he’s an incredibly impressive candidate. However, it’s criminal that he wasn’t in before – he should have had a much higher list placing last election.
Absolutely. Again, the dead wood issue comes into play, and the Boag approach won't necessarily work for the existing Labour caucus due to faction balance politics.
There seems to be a life cycle of certain MP's careers: novice backbencher, experienced front-bencher, and then dead wood.
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If you look at the list of list MPs in Labour , all up, there is only about 9 list MPs. The rest were put there by the voting public. So Kelvin at 10 isn't that far down.Whoever you think of as "deadwood" has earnt their right to be there. There are not too many on the List. It'll be interesting to see how convenient voting is, as many in rural areas cant even afford the return trips in petrol to voting booths up north. Kelvin will have to encourage the voters up there. I'll see if I can help closer to the time.
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NBH, in reply to
Again, the dead wood issue comes into play
Can I just ask who exactly constitutes the 'dead wood' that's supposed to be dominating Labour? Aside from Jones (and for all that I loathe the guy and am glad he's leaving, the supermarkets issue was a really good one to jump on), I can see an argument for Clayton Cosgrove, Mallard, and Damien O'Connor (though the last has a seat for life and from what I've heard is genuinely well-thought of as a constituency MP). Phil Goff and Annette King might have come in during the 80s, but both have excellent command of their portfolios and Goff's work around the MFAT restructuring and Defence has been really good.
So aren't we really talking about three MPs out of 34, two of whom are now firmly on the backbenches? I guess you could bump that up to five if you included Ruth Dyson and Ross Robertson, but again they're both unranked and won't be making the trip back up anytime soon.
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Sacha, in reply to
there is only about 9 list MPs. The rest were put there by the voting public
All MPs are put in place by the voting public. If voters do not like a party's list, they do not vote for them.
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bmk, in reply to
So Kelvin at 10 isn't that far down.Whoever you think of as "deadwood" has earnt their right to be there.
How have they earnt the right to be there? By being in the party for so long? I think Kelvin made more of an impression than many on the list above him, not saying they aren't good MPs but either they are less effective, less promising or have had their time and should have been below him in the list. For example these were MPs above him in on the list who easily could have been placed lower down:
Sue Moroney (10th) - vaguely heard of her but can't think of one really positive thing she's done.
Darien Fenton (18th) - heard of her but again can't think of much she's done.
Rajen Prasad (20th) - heard of but only in terms of his laziness, ineffectiveness and jokes about him being one of the worst MPs - yet he was higher than many worthy candidates.
Raymond Hao (21st) - vaguely heard of.
Carol Beaumont (22) - heard of but mainly only for losing the former Labour safe seat of Maungakiekie in 2008; a feat which rewards her a higher list placing in 2011.All of these could have been placed below Kelvin Davis. Maybe my perspective is skewed by him being a fellow Northlander - but if you've heard him speak he is very impressive and just the type of person Labour needs representing their party.
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So my ironic tweet …
Labour must recapture the appeal to blue-collar males it had during those nine years in government led by a feminist PolSci lecturer.
… got about 50 RTs earlier. One of which came to the attention of Trevor Mallard, who replied thus:
@publicaddress @torshin but some of us had to punch above our weight for that team
Oh really. Do tell.
It seems well past time for Mallard to move on.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
All of these could have been placed below Kelvin Davis. Maybe my perspective is skewed by him being a fellow Northlander – but if you’ve heard him speak he is very impressive and just the type of person Labour needs representing their party.
Couldn't agree more. I liked him first time around and I've only become more impressed in the last day.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Ross is retiring and Ruth won her electorate, Mallard won his, O'Connor won his, Goff won his, King won hers, I can go on. Point being these people were voted in by their Electorate. They didn't think they were deadwood and it was their choice. Cosgrove is the only List MP out of those mentioned.
If voters do not like a party’s list, they do not vote for them.
Yep but My Party vote is that. Party vote.
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Sacha, in reply to
Your party vote supports that party's list, minus electorate MPs. It's not a novel observation that Labour's list in 2008 was skewed and when their overall vote collapsed, MPs with low list rankings were excluded.
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Idiot Savant, in reply to
I reckon it would be useful to OAI the details on Jones' new job (announced yet?).
Oh, I will be.
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BenWilson, in reply to
@publicaddress @torshin but some of us had to punch above our weight for that team
Oh really. Do tell.
He's talking about when he bashed Henare, despite being the little guy.
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NBH, in reply to
Point being these people were voted in by their Electorate. They didn't think they were deadwood and it was their choice.
Oh totally - I was just responding to the commonly-articulated view that the Labour caucus consists primarily of 90-year old Roger Douglas clones who spend their days twiddling their thumbs in high-backed armchairs. The whole deadwood discussion seems like an unhelpful distraction to me.
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Pete George, in reply to
I don't know if Mallard's 'punch' comment was deliberate regarding his Henare stoush, but note that he said "had to punch above our weight for that team" - past tense.
How long ago? What does he do now?
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
But I also accept that the Party has more control than me with the list and accept it as it stands. Anyway Sacha ,I am happy that Kelvin is jumping in boots and all. Lets hope we can lift the Northland vote.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Maimai Vice II
It seems well past time for Mallard to move on.
Would it be churlish (or even actionable) to note then,
the irony of Duck Season opening on May Day?I think someone already got
the Northern Shoveler,
Shelduck'll be right
and Paradise is next!The buckshot stops where?
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
The whole deadwood discussion seems like an unhelpful distraction to me.
Yes me too. Age is relative and they probably have relatives and some would say.. they are old or young and I don't know anyones age here so ....;)
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BenWilson, in reply to
How long ago? What does he do now?
He hung up his gloves, and makes the other guys chase chickens around to increase their agility.
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Sacha, in reply to
bless his lycra leggings.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Raylan meets Lovejoy
The whole deadwood discussion seems like an unhelpful distraction...
That's funny, there was always lots of swearing and violence to liven things up when it was on the telly... but yes, it was distracting.
NSFW, Children, sheltered adults or in front of horses...</helpful>
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
But I also accept that the Party has more control than me with the list and accept it as it stands. Anyway Sacha ,I am happy that Kelvin is jumping in boots and all. Lets hope we can lift the Northland vote.
The leaders' primary was just a starting point for rightly devolving power from the caucus.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
NSFW, Children, sheltered adults or in front of horses…
or Badgers...
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