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  • Paul Williams, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Dirty Politics has also made the Times of London, but the article’s paywalled. Ditto for this Crikey article by an expat NZer.

    NZ politics is also on the ABC website..., great! I have long argued with Australian friends that NZ politics is clean... guess not so much anymore.

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Farrar puts a brave face on it:

    While the last six months has been a torrid time for Judith, I do think people will recall she achieved a huge amount as a Minister for five and a half years as Police, Corrections, ACC and Justice Minister.

    To paraphrase Terry Pratchett, less five years good behaviour than five years Not Found Out.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Paul Williams,

    I have long argued with Australian friends that NZ politics is clean… guess not so much anymore.

    Is it naive on my part to have an impression that NZ’s public service is actually pretty good, and it’s the political branch which is most susceptible to dodgy practices and conflicts of interest when handling accountability?

    Apart from an election and (symbolically) the Queen, I’m still having difficulty seeing who the Prime Minister is actually accountable to, in a way that’s actually effective, when it comes to following the law and ensuring that it’s followed by himself and his minions.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Spinner… undrama?

    Polis call him Paddy

    Paddy’s across the questions
    Polis, straight bat, field his balls
    Paddy licks the lectern while
    Polis get grilled in the malls

    the media is the massage…

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

  • simon g, in reply to izogi,

    I’m still having difficulty seeing who the Prime Minister is actually accountable to, in a way that's actually effective

    Cathy Odgers, apparently. She runs the left wing conspiracy now.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1330 posts Report Reply

  • Dismal Soyanz, in reply to simon g,

    "When thieves fall out."

    So if Odgers is Key's informant, it would appear that the email is an excuse to sack Collins. Such irony.

    It seems like Odgers had to fall on her own sword and maybe she wanted to either help Key one last time or revenge for Collin's apparent denial of their relationship.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2010 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Good morning class. What have we learned today?

    1. That it was Odgers who supplied yesterday's email to Key

    Knowing Fairfax was investigating the hacked emails, it is believed Odgers (known by the blog name Cactus Kate) went through her own emails and found some that could be seen as implicating Collins. This correspondence then found its way to a Beehive staffer on Friday

    I think Russell Brown's @Publicaddress tweet sums up the motivation behind that release nicely.

    So: mindful of the polls, they needed a pretext to dump Collins, but it couldn't come from Hager's book. So this email turned up. Amirite?

    2. Poor Cam Slater is feeling hurt and intends to take action against Key.

    Last night Slater revealed he would lay a complaint with the Privacy Commissioner over Prime Minister John Key releasing the email that led to Collins' resignation.

    Yet more effort to distance Key from this sordid mess? Let's see if Slater actually follows through with this "threat".

    Delicious as it may be, the spectacle of this nest of rats apparently eating their own provides yet more distraction and fails to deal with the bigger issue -- the rot within which has been perverting the National Party since 2008. According to 'Dirty Politics' Lusk has 13 (now 12) people within the National caucus and he's grooming the next generation of far right candidates.

    I'd like to think that many in the National Party will be revolted at the power which C&M (Lusk, Slater, Graham, Williams, Odgers & Co) have attained by stealth -- power which has enabled them to pervert democracy, insert their own candidates and influence the direction of the Party.

    There are bound to be honourable people within the National Party who are sickened by the revelations in the book.

    It's time for those people to stand up and be counted.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    And the whole sordid affair has also made the UK/AUS Spectator, courtesy of the Lower North Island’s wowser-in-chief Karl du Fresne. It’s not quite Poe’s Law territory, but I’m mildly amused by the ‘barbarians at the gate’ vibe of the article.

    Sigh. This:

    ... as demonstrated by a YouTube video showing Dotcom, looking like a cross between a gangsta rapper and the Führer at Nuremberg, inciting a youthful crowd chanting “F–k John Key” at a Christchurch rally. This is not politics as New Zealanders know it.

    In reality, of course, Dotcom does not look remotely like either in the video. Du Fresne's a clown.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Alfie,

    There are bound to be honourable people within the National Party who are sickened by the revelations in the book.

    There have been a lot of pious affirmations lately about the existence of these unicorn-like elvenfolk. Finding one that would risk sullying its fine mind by actually reading the book seems even harder now than at the time of The Hollow Men.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Alex Coleman, in reply to Dismal Soyanz,

    Also worth bearing in mind that Odgers and her employers parted ways 'by mutual agreement' earlier this week.

    Possibly unrelated. Everything is possible.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 247 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    A while back I was concerned that if National were to win a third term many people would suspect that the election was somehow rigged. In light of recent events I believe any doubt would now be unlikely.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    that the election was somehow rigged.

    Well not rigged just manipulated. Language is a weapon, when the rules of discourse become clay pigeons.
    But be careful not to examine the barrel with your tongue... might blow your own head off.
    WHOOPS....

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1890 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Sjorn,

    If the just announced SIS inquiry somehow exonerates all concerned just before the election -that would be a fine thing for Key and co. , no? Is there any suspicion that the information that got Mrs Collins sacked will be also disproved, and then, in combination with the SIS thing just before the election, the National party will be able to claim proof of conspiracy and march on triumphant. I want the whole lot looked into not just these two claims.

    New Zealand • Since Sep 2013 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Simon Sjorn,

    If the just announced SIS inquiry somehow exonerates all concerned just before the election -that would be a fine thing for Key and co. , no?

    It certainly would and it feels like it's shaping up that way. Miraculously, Key may not be required appear at the hearing. Now how does that possibly work?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1436 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Sjorn,

    It seems very hard to believe that this inquiry will be able to operate in a climate of political neutrality. The consequences for Nationals fortunes are so clearly wrapped up in the result. It will surely be seen - rightly or wrongly - as a veracity test for the whole book. I think an inquiry should definitely happen but very concerned about how it will proceed, and under what conditions.

    New Zealand • Since Sep 2013 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Simon Sjorn,

    The consequences for Nationals fortunes are so clearly wrapped up in the result.

    Are they? I hope I'm pleasantly surprised, but I'll believe that it's going to significantly affect National's support when I see that actually happen. Mostly because I'm struggling to see a typical National supporter voting for anyone else for the same reason they probably wouldn't have done so before any of this happened: they don't want to, at least unless another party provides good policy-backed reasons for it.

    Few people follow or care about politics day to day compared with those who hang out in the political blogosphere. It's easier to resign to the belief that all politics is dirty (plenty of apologists are already out there reinforcing this), screw up your face and vote for National even if the way it's run disgusts you, than it is to vote for a party you really don't want in government for policy reasons.

    This is why the checks and line of accontability for the conduct of Ministers and their staff need to be more stringent and constitutionally embedded than simply saying "people will vote them out if they do badly".

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to andin,

    But be careful not to examine the barrel with your tongue…

    Double barrel... Double speak...
    innit

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Double barrel… Double speak…innit

    Wish I had said that...

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to izogi,

    I'll believe that it's going to significantly affect National's support when I see that actually happen.

    Apparently National's own internal polling conducted by Mr Farrar put the willies up them enough to push the button on Collins. The lag into public polling might take a few weeks..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sacha,

    The lag into public polling might take a few weeks..

    Two weeks and six days.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Wish I had said that…

    You will, Oscar. You will.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • Greg Dawson, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    “We have maintained a silence closely resembling stupidity!”

    Thanks for the history lesson, really fascinating (didn't know about Neil Roberts, didn't know about the La Paz revolution - I'm young, although I don't think anyone here but the vampires were around in 1809)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 294 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming,

    New Whaledump

    Also a couple of tweets from this morning bear repeating:

    Whaledump @whaledump ·
    Have you learnt nothing from #DirtyPolitics? @MatthewHootonNZ has no idea what I plan to do. How could he?

    Whaledump @whaledump ·
    There are no rumours. @MatthewHootonNZ made them up to ratfuck Judith Collins. And those reporting his rumours are helping him.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2933 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 496 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Greg Dawson,

    Fang Club

    the La Paz revolution...

    aah the ides of July, 1809,
    I remember Upper Peru well,
    the revolutionaries wore gray,
    she was painted blue....

    ....what a night!
    ;- <

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

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