Guilty 2: Taito Philip Field

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  • Steve Barnes,

    @Sacha.
    Ferzactley.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Islander,

    Having mana doesnt necessarily mean you have to be humble - or arrogant. I've met people of great mana who were (and are) humble, kind, and considerate whoever they're with, and I've met a couple who were downright haughty in public (and thoroughly charming when not.) I've also met one person of such mana that they just seemed - remote? Not really human? I couldnt imagine them actually eating, let alone the other... People who have little mana are laughed at when they become presumptuous: people who've lost their mana are just disregarded.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Thanks, Islander.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    And yet I'm sure Ingram found some consolation in the $479K he charged.

    Scotty: I've got a sneaking suspicion Ingram could have racked in a damn sight more in nine months of billable hours as a QC specializing in commercial law -- and without the gallons of virtual froth spat in his direction by both wings of the wingnutter-tariat. Also, if he was out to line his pocket I don't think he would have taken on a inquiry originally expected to last a matter of weeks.

    You could argue custom on the "help" and subsequent recompense, certainly not on what followed.

    To be fair, at least Field's defense team didn't go down the Weatherson road of lunatic desperation and try to run that line. For which I'm profoundly grateful.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    and be sent to Coventry (or whatever the Aotearoian equivelent is, Timaru?)

    I'm hoping that in Field's case, "the Aotearoian eqivalent" will be the full stretch of jail time -- seven years, I believe.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Sam F,

    and be sent to Coventry (or whatever the Aotearoian equivelent is, Timaru?)

    Shades of an old Fifties radio skit I heard once about a British couple moving into a new house - naturally the place needed a suitable name, but nothing seemed to fit. In desperation the lady of the house asked her husband to think of some rustic place he'd visited in the country and name the house after that - unfortunately all that came up was Dartmoor.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    I agree. He's hardly going to get any time off for remorse.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • ScottY,

    Scotty: I've got a sneaking suspicion Ingram could have racked in a damn sight more in nine months of billable hours as a QC specializing in commercial law -- and without the gallons of virtual froth spat in his direction by both wings of the wingnutter-tariat. Also, if he was out to line his pocket I don't think he would have taken on a inquiry originally expected to last a matter of weeks.

    I know. But I couldn't resist.

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    If you haven't see it already, Tapu Misa calls bullshit (again) on the 'Pacific Way' defence. (Compare and contrast to this week's more than usually strained effort at wilful perversity by Rosemary McLeod in the SST -- not online, yet.)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Clinton would, more than likely, still be president. Think about it.

    No GW Bush, No Afghan or Iraq wars, maybe no bank crash. Not a bad idea.

    But you are aware that Bill Clinton couldn't run in 2000 because of term limits; he was *acquitted* by the Senate?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report

  • Rich of Observationz,

    If Prime Ministers sacked their Ministers the moment a cloud began to gather, they'd have a revolving door and a cabinet filled with the surviving nonentities. There'd be a feeding frenzy anytime someone suggested that Minister X had queuejumped in Woolworths sometime in '92.

    However, I'd question why Taito Philip Field got selected in the first place (against the advice of his predecessor in the seat, David Lange).

    It's almost a form of racism to insist that we must have an MP that "represents" an ethnic group, even if they're arrogant, bigoted and corrupt (or even just crap at politics, after the fashion of the former National candidate for Mt. Albert). If a candidate was English, that wouldn't affect my vote - although if they went under the name of The Honourable Montague Smyth-Smithson-Smithe, Hereditary Margrave of Little Funtingdon that would probably count against.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    If you are the only MP ever from a particular population group, the pressure to "represent" them seems understandable. Wealthy white men, not so much.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    It's almost a form of racism to insist that we must have an MP that "represents" an ethnic group

    Wouldn't go that far, Rich, but it certainly seems to speak to a certain laziness in the media-political complex. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • JackElder,

    If a candidate was English, that wouldn't affect my vote - although if they went under the name of The Honourable Montague Smyth-Smithson-Smithe, Hereditary Margrave of Little Funtingdon that would probably count against.

    Ah, you see - personally, if I had a chance to vote for the heriditary Baron Haden-Guest of Saling, he'd have my vote in a flash.

    Wellington • Since Mar 2008 • 709 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    But you are aware that Bill Clinton couldn't run in 2000 because of term limits;

    Yes but... a "real" leader wouldn't see that as an obstacle.
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    If a candidate was English, that wouldn't affect my vote - although if they went under the name of The Honourable Montague Smyth-Smithson-Smithe, Hereditary Margrave of Little Funtingdon that would probably count against.

    Or if his name were Bill.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • JackElder,

    Yes but... a "real" leader wouldn't see that as an obstacle.

    Indeed. Doesn't the US have a Prime Minister?

    Wellington • Since Mar 2008 • 709 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    We have one auditioning for the job..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

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