Posts by Shep Cheyenne
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Malcolm this was symbolism and these guys are pacifists.
I would like to distinguish between violence upon an object, and violence upon a person, as being two very different things. let us remember that they caused no harm to the infrastructure itself.
It was direct non-violent action. I conceed we will not agree on this point.
You've tied them to killing our troops in Afghanistan and now drawn a parrallel with the 9/11 hijackers, both are preposterous.
It's their actions and aims that they should be judged on, not their inspiration. As such religion isn't the issue.
I might say various members of this group (although not these guys) have bailed me up in the past about where I've worked and what I've done. I believe our military are essentially doing good.
Waihopai however is not part of 'our' defense and is not supposed to monitor NZ communications. Therefore I have an issue with it.
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A S,
$1m - The obvious answer to that is moth balls, pull the plug and then no more problem.
And this $1M for a plastic rain coat, really? I'll do the contract for 1/2 that.
All that was needed was a roving patrol in fog when the CCTV is out of action.
It might be cold and dark outside, but if you can't see you better off your ass and take a walk, a flashlight, radio and themos of coffee would do the job.
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Wot if ...
She wrestled D4J in the australasian blogisphere smack down?
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Malcolm - now that's a leap.
It's not like it's the first time anyone jumped the fence there. No damage was done to the infrastructure itself. They just popped a balloon that is there to provide weather protection.
Result - if it was anywhere else in NZ it might get wet, but it's Marlborough and so that's not gonna happen.
Security is their responsibility & it is obviously seriously lacking, as no real damage was done they've actually helped bring to light how lax those boys and girls at Waihopai are.
This was all a symbolic display that has achieved its goal.
If you are worried about the safety of NZ Troops in Afghanistan why not pressure your MP to get our troops in armoured cars etc rather than a Hi-Lux?
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A S: People do what they can and this is a big statement. Not to mention a total failure of security. They had time to make a shrine to peace before getting picked up.
And burning down schools wasn't a huge leap, just trying to keep up with you there :p
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A S: I'ld tie it a bit closer to the storming of the Bastille and the abuses of power Waihopai & the Bastille represent.
Curiously America played a role in both.
During the reign of Louis XVI, France faced a major financial crisis, triggered by the cost of intervening in the American War of Independence, and exacerbated by an unequal system of taxation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Storming_of_the_Bastille
How's that! Circle complete back to taxation.
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Malcom: We'll disagree on their actions validity, if I can note it was not against any person and therefore is not compareable to the others noted IMHO.
I/S: I agree, nice. We are starting to see a bit of a change in mind sets. That nutter 'Sherif' who shot at the kids and a growing offensive gun culture & If I can link our growing call for a pound of flesh in the growing prison pop.
Also I shud note these guys are a bit too hard core for me although I have a lot of simpathy and respect for them and their ideals.
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Make no mistake these guys are pacifists.
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Malcolm that's part of their symbolism.
Instead of sickles read pruning hook.
They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift sword against nation; and there shall be no more training for war. Isaiah 2:4
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It'll be tresspass if anything.
What got me was the shot of the truck with the crane they were going to use to get over the fence had fallen off the side of the road. They then improvised to achieve their task, and had time to wait and pray.
Any pretence New Zealand is part of the War on Terror shud be stopped now, if these 3 pacifist guys, a farmer, a teacher, and a preacher have launched an unstoppable assult on the number one intel asset in the country and succeeded, well some people weren't doing their job very well.
Of course it might have been the fog, it might have been...
Didn't Havoc & Newsboy do the same thing already?