Posts by Bart Janssen
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to mean people or institutions which actually aren't consciously homophobic, but have trouble remembering that non-straight people exist.
As opposed to institutions that have trouble remembering people exist aka businesses
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and as for hongi
Which for me is a real problem, another cultural disjunction.
I know intellectually that shaking hands transfers as many bacteria/virus particles as rubbing noses but for some reason the idea of rubbing my (icky yucky) nose against another person's nose ... shudder.
Yet a kiss on the check is OK? Yes I know it's not rational but I can't help it.
When you get down to it, it's kind of alarming how many cultural biases lurk in my behaviour.
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Not giving hugs to Kiwi male friends is something I had to learn in an awful hurry when I got here.
Bart <---- can be hugged and will not assume sexual motivation
Bart <---- likes giving hugs, also without sexual motivation
hmmm maybe a T-shirt is needed
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I don't think that that indicates a sexual relationship, in Arab countries,...
Oh no I didn't mean to suggest it did. No more than girls walking hand in hand in NZ suggests sexual relationship. It did jar for me, which is what I found sad, that my own culture is so repressed that men touching is jarring.
BTW that first picture is very disturbing too, the second is photoshopped.
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Tracy
sorry, have they found those "gay genes", then? Let alone rugby-player genes
I really need a sarcasm tag. My point was that after we find those genes (we probably, but not certainly, will find genes associated with both traits) then it should be possible to prove Gayness does not associate with Rugbyness. A completely pointless study of course. Sadly such a paper would probably make it into Nature - sigh.
There really is pretty good evidence that some component of homsexuality is genetic. The genes haven't been identified yet but that is just a matter of time. As for genes associated with athletic ability there already have been several identified but it ain't simple :).
Until then the response to claims that people are "sure" there are no gay ABs should be ... Bollocks. The claim may turn out to be true but they have no legitimate reason to be "sure".
On the identifying-as-gay theme. I got to go to Egypt in '08 where men walk around hand-in-hand a lot. Which sadly I found odd, saying more about me than them. It turns out though, according to the guide books, that in Egypt some men will have sex with men but still remain 100% heterosexual, providing they are the "donor". Which goes to show that it is a lot more complicated than many people would like it to be.
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*Unless you could get good figures for the incidence of the genetic and environmental conditions that produce teh gayz.
And then do the linkage disequilibrium analysis to identify linked traits, lol.
In english.
You'd need to find the genes (probably several) that correlate with genetic homosexuality and the genes that respond to environmental factors that modulate the trait (homosexuality), again several more genes.
Then you'd need to find the genes (probably several) that correlate with elite Rugby performance and the genes that respond to environmental factors that modulate that trait.
Then you need to do a large enough genotyping study to show that the homosexuality related genes and the elite rugby related genes are found apart more often than they are found together.
By the way such a study would reveal a social separation of those genes even if no genetic separation existed. To say I'm really dubious that any such separation of traits exists would be putting it mildly. But being a good scientist I won't exclude the possibility - I will giggle though.
Just as an aside we are probably only a decade or two away from actually being able to do the above studies.
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only if they are selected at random from the general population.
You keep saying this as if your wild speculation about selection against gay elite rugby players has any validity.
Even arguing that there is prejudice at the 16/17 year old level is just speculation and not based on any real data. Given what I've seen of teenagers they are even less concerned about homosexuality than us old farts. Yes they might tease about it but they tease about anything but actual real prejudice - nope haven't seen any real evidence that it any worse than our generation.
Seriously dude just drop this one. You have no proof other than speculation and the stats would argue strongly against your thesis.
Time to just give up say you are probably wrong.
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Fuck - aren't we over the "all Aucklanders are wankers" and all Southerners are "True and Honest Kiwis" shtick? Please?
I think we are in reality. But every now and then a writer or scriptwriter sets their brain aside and decides to be lazy instead of writing something real.
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So your thesis, after one month in the South Island, is that all Aucklanders are wankers and all folks from the South Island are ... what? Narrow minded bigots?
I quite liked the turn of phrase but the actual content of this ... well lets just say I don't have much time for classifying large groups of people into stereotypes.
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Sword.
Falling.
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