Posts by Lilith __
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Capture: Colour is the new black, in reply to Jackie Clark,
Motorway flowers.
Racing stripes! Notice how the nearer flowers are moving faster :-)
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Can’t resist posting this. Something I noticed today – a rainbow flag making rainbow colours on a wall. Peace, love and kittens*.
*no kittens today sorry
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Hard News: News media meets new media:…, in reply to Isaac Freeman,
I do totally get the KKK analogy for the seriously nasty stuff. It’s just that (as I think I said in my first comment on this topic) the seriously nasty stuff is, at least in theory, illegal.
But what I was talking about was just people being moderately unpleasant to each other and making an environment that’s hostile to real conversation or mutual understanding. I don’t think this has much to do with anonymity, it’s just as likely to happen on FB or some other place where people are easily identifiable.
If we could eradicate harassment and threatening behaviour, we would still be left with the question of how to build better online communities and more meaningful connections. That was all I was saying.
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Hard News: News media meets new media:…, in reply to Rich Lock,
the attempts to intimidate via that anonymity
I'm not talking about actual harassment and threats, just obnoxious twatcockery. I think there's a lot more of the latter than the former, and it's more complicated to deal with.
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Hard News: News media meets new media:…, in reply to Russell Brown,
Kiwiblog commenter types who see others as cardboard cut-outs of their political stereotypes
With some of those people I wonder if they're really interested in politics or if they’re using it as the pretext to have a scrap. Do football hooligans care about football? They seem to see it as an opportunity to get amped up and bash the crap out of other people.
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Hard News: News media meets new media:…, in reply to Kumara Republic,
I don't think internet trolling is analogous to the hate crimes, arson and murder, practiced by the KKK. Most internet trolling is just people being rude and inconsiderate. And there are plenty of trolls who either use their own names or whose identities are well known.
Because the internet deals in text, it's easy to forget there are people out there writing it. We can get caught up arguing with the words, and forget about the person, who may not have expressed themselves well or clearly, and who may not mean what we think they do.
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Hard News: News media meets new media:…, in reply to Russell Brown,
Something that can happen in RL groups is that past a certain point they become impermeable to outsiders -- the shared history and references and in-jokes form a barrier that can't easily be crossed. But PAS regulars are a large and geographically scattered group with many kinds of networks and links between us. It'd be interesting to draw a chart of who knows who offline, and how that changes over time.
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Hard News: News media meets new media:…, in reply to Isaac Freeman,
people are real
WHAT?! Now you tell me.
;-)But yeah, these are good points you make.
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we’d be responsible for everything published on our websites. If David Farrar wants the rights of access that pertain to proper journalists, he might finally have to accept more responsibility for comments published on Kiwiblog.
A big difference between the old and new media is the interactivity. And while it's possible to legislate/regulate against defamation, hate speech and harassment, I don't think we can force people to be decent to each other.
It would be so great if the PAS experience* could be replicated elsewhere on the web. Sometimes I forget what a wild and abusive world it is out there in the rest of the internet, particularly for women. How stupid and angry and pointless most internet discussions are. We have this amazing tool to connect with and understand other people and it mostly gets used for shouting and point-scoring.
*good name for a band, that
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Capture: Colour is the new black, in reply to Sacha,
no unkind comments about patrons :)
Thank you Sacha, I was thinking my setup was in vain. :-)
