Posts by mark taslov
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Steven relax , your post seemed sensitive and measured,
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seems like most of the right to life lobbyists are already part of a religion that teaches humility, they're just poor students
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ok, won't go there..
back to the topic, The thing I don't understand about what you're saying Danielle" is that there is a very tiny group of affluent women who currently have reproductive rights.
when i think of the single mothers I know, none of them are affluent, 3 of them were kids who grew up with the express career ambition of reaching 16 and having a baby, having the the state pay for the upbringing of that child. One found her father at a real estate cocktail party, one chose a flatmate to sire that wippersnapper, another maintained the relationship with the father as long as possible, and the fourth just left the country with the kiwi studded child, at which point the stud immediately and i'm told accidentally knocked his rebound up.
instance one, was a good investment for the state. No significant problems, father was none too nonplussed at merely being a sperm donor.
Second case, the father suggested an abortion, but accepted his gf's decision, and was utterly devastated when not long after having the child she denied him visitation rights and soon after moved city. The guy was a wreck, he was happy to provide child support and really wanted to be a part of that child's life, but was and still is on the whole denied this right on the basis that he is a 'loser', no more of a loser than when he was hoodwinked into fathering the child, but a loser all the same, allegedly. child is fine
Third case, the relationship was going ok, sure the father was taking a horseload of drugs, and experimenting with bisexuality, but that 21st century life, father still has a role in this child's life. child is fine
fourth case, well, the kid is 1000s of miles away, the second mother wants nothing to do with the guy,
I feel that perhaps despite strong arguments for the mother's autonomy, Sometimes abortion can be
Thing that strikes me about your argument Danielle, is that in the first three cases here, it was the females who saw them selves as baby incubators and the subsequent parenthood as their career, where as in the fourth case i'd have to admit the guy could be classified as a baby incubatorer or at the very least someone who needs to aim that tool with a little more care.
I mention this simply in that Danielle, you seem to be a sexist.
and seem to want to make this about specific genders, You speak of men seeing women as ' Your Very Special Baby Incubators' overlooking the fact that statistically there are females who look on their own body as their own Very Special Baby Incubators.arguing that 'women are people' is an outdated mode of provocation, especially on the internet, where, we're all just words. I don't think an argument suggesting men have slightly minutely better rights with regard the raring of children to be a denial that women are people, I consider it more an argument for humans are humans.
And why would I come back to this and post about it,
well, for the primary reason that you express the skewed assumption that men blindly grip to the outdated concept that women are seen solely as baby incubators, or that my or another man's argument is with your rights of autonomy over your body, womenhood, sexuality child bearing or raring. When it's far more about someone's right to life under the burden of a man hating mother, among other negative possible scenarios
I'd even posit that if men actually had more of a say, it's likely they'd be more abortions
correct me if i'm wrong but really....
very special baby incubators?
it's the most sexist term i've heard for ages
and i heard it from you
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nice work, respect. the last wave of the true flying nun sound flying nun acts.
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“so boring that people wear condoms” mark.
Well men wear condoms, so your saying it’s a male problem?no, i'm saying i hope people have a more responsible attitude to sex
btw, are you the same jeremy eade that bought us this?
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Jeremy Eade:
" in the hopes of encouraging more actively responsible attitude towards sexual intercourse." MT
This seems to be Marks real problem.Casual Sex. Jeez how boring do you want to make life?
so boring that people wear condoms. call me unrealistic or whatever but i don't think 80% of New Zealand adults having oral herpes and 20% having genital herpes is a great selling point for the NZ sex industry.
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o come on rodgered, i'm done, it's not like i work in the abortion industry or am seeking abortion funding, just had some time to kill before work...
and kiwis are good sports, i pledge not to do it again.... seriously. respect to lucy for making a good case. -
no george, there have been cases of stolen sperm, this is a real phenomena, why simply blank it out?
and no, nothing like every sperm is sacred, I'm for pretty much exactly as socrates above:
"I think that when abortion is a viable option and the parents are not in a committed relationship, the father should get a legal option to express an opinion on what happens and their responsibilities there after. I.E. a statutory declaration that they do not want the child, would prefer an abortion, and if the mother still wishes to continue they waive any guardianship rights and are absolved of any financial burdens."
simply feel checks and balances are required. I don't feel that alienating males from the childrearing process and alienating them from discussion for or against based on gender is a positive solution.
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how many times on this thread did anyone mention the rights of the unborn child?
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hey, it wasn't me started the sexist jibes. I just started the trollfest as a response to what i consider a relevant argument being classified as trolling,
we could argue about bodily autonomy, but again it belies the point.
I find it interesting on this level
there is the autonomy of the mind, that which can control the processes of the body, ie getting a doctor to inject certain poisons into your body to maintain control of your body, this autonomy of the bodybut I'd classify that as autonomy of the self or of the individual,
then there's the autonomy of the body, despite your best wishes,
the reflexive and natural reaction.and my argument on that level mainly dealt with lucy, referring to the autonomy of her body as her right to defy it's natural processes which i see as confusingly worded.
i'll try another example, again tenuous,
if i have sexual intercourse using a condom, and my partner takes the contents of that condom and uses it to impregnate herself,
then where is the consideration for the autonomy of my DNA?
why is the balance so heavily weighted?
i mean, surely that fact that a High Court judge has ruled that the abortion law is being used more liberally than Parliament intended.
is something of an indication that perhaps this autonomy of the body over the rights of child and sperm donor are an issue that can't simply being addressed by labeling someone with an issue a troll?