Posts by Lilith __
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Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to Steve Barnes,
Riding shotgun
Visions of AOS accompanying the marital limousine kinda takes the romance out of the occasion one thinks.
There are some people I know who would LOVE this. Though they are no doubt in the minority. ;-)
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Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to John Armstrong,
a discussion about the institutionalisation (or something) of love?
I think you misunderstand me. Love and bonded relationships are good for people and society. Nothing irrational in that.
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I think all this God business is beside the point in any case, just like any other appeal to authority. Unless a position is defensible in rational terms, it's irrelevant.
I'd like to hear some of these religious folks give real, concrete reasons why allowing gay marriage would be bad. Reasons that relate to the human rights, and human happiness, and greatest utility.
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Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to BenWilson,
if the bill passes, then we’ve got mharriage now. It’s just like marriage, only better because everyone is allowed
Mharriage Lhaws. Love it. :-)
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Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to Tess Rooney,
But I really, truly, deeply, feel that God has defined marriage and we would be wrong to change it.
But Tess, why would God care? If there's a divine and unchanging truth, humans can't change that whatever we do.
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Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to Tess Rooney,
I don’t think civil marriage is an imitation, but I do think marriage _as an institution_ is about creating kin through bloodlines. That has been the main social function of marriage.
Marriage as an institution has in most societies been about control and ownership of female sexuality as a means of guaranteeing paternity. In some parts of the world, it still is. Personally, I think it's a very good idea to move on from this model!
And perhaps it's worth a mention that our idea of a mum-dad-and-kids nuclear family is a very modern and Western one. Extended families have always included people rearing children who are not biologically their own, for all sorts of reasons.
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Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to Tess Rooney,
Basically I’m advocating a system that allows for multiple definitions of marriage without the State having a legal preference.
If God’s definition is what matters to you, why do you care what the State does?
And: what you say here is exactly what Louisa Wall or any other advocate for same-sex marriage might say. Multiple definitions of marriage without the State preferring one over another? That's the whole point.
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Capture: Cinema Scoped, in reply to Ian Dalziel,
Catherine Deneuve, has just left the dead bunny on the kitchen bench
The rabbit on the bench, the potatoes in the handbag...it was never going to end well!
But what makes the creepiness so compelling is how almost-normal the household starts out. -
Yay Russell! Look forward to it.
(there won’t be scary monsters, will there?)
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Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to Tess Rooney,
Kidman could marry again in a church because her first marriage was not Sacramental
How very convenient. The Catholic Church has a long tradition of absolute rules becoming infinitely flexible when money and/or power is involved.