Posts by Bart Janssen
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Hard News: The sole party of government, in reply to Tom Semmens,
Also I don't remember ever seeing any consensus here on PAS about whether the direction of the Labour party was right or wrong. Lots of discussion and ideas but certainly no consensus.
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Hard News: The sole party of government, in reply to Tom Semmens,
WE GOT SMASHED. Time for accountability.
First part is correct. But what I and some others have been saying is quite different from the second part. I'm happy to make guesses about what went wrong but what is actually needed is some feet on the ground talking to the people who chose not to vote Labour and listening.
Not arguing.
Not trying to convince them that they were wrong just listening.
And then decide, as the Labour party, if you want those people to vote for you and if the Labour party is able and willing to change enough to get them to vote for you. Or alternatively, if the ideology is worth sticking to even if it means becoming a minor party.
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Hard News: The sole party of government, in reply to RG,
There are two problems with that idea the Mt Roskill is no longer Labour.
First is that over 25 years here I've seen little evidence of increased wealth of the locals. Yes some houses are worth more but you can't buy anything better than what you've got even if the numbers traded are bigger. My neighbours are roughly the same wealth they always have been, there are more of them but they aren't much different.
Second is that even if you were right, I'd argue that Labour needs to adapt to the changing demographic otherwise they end up walking away from all the suburbs that are like Mt roskill
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Hard News: The sole party of government, in reply to Keir Leslie,
But it does and it’s probably pointing towards something interesting and useful to understand.
Yeah I agree entirely.
And I have to emphasise my thoughts are only my guesses and I really have no certainty that I know anything after this election.
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Hard News: The sole party of government, in reply to Keir Leslie,
People like Goff, Mallard, King, Dyson, but don’t like the Labour Party. So they’ll vote for those MPs, but not the Party. It’s a big problem for Labour.
So you can do what DC just did and say we know you like these guys and what they stand for but Labour is now going to be this, ta dah. And the result was ...
Or you can say OK here's what people actually want from Labour - lets actually give them what they want and maybe they will vote for us.
I'm not saying which option is right but rather pointing out that the current strategy would seem to indicate the Labour party is headed on a track to become a minor party. If that is true, and it's a valid option if you absolutely are convinced of your ideology, then it seems to me there is room for yet another centre left party. One that believes in the things that those centre left voters actually want to get out of their homes and vote for. Those voters seem to be unrepresented in any way in the current parliament.
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Hard News: Decision 2014: Where to watch…, in reply to Simon Lyall,
I really wouldn’t read too much into the local votes.
True, but the pattern was replicate in several electorates. Ignore at your peril.
I’m in Mt Roskill too and I knew that Goff was always going to win no matter who I voted for. I was even joking with people I’d vote for Minto.
But that isn't what happened or what I'm confused about. They voted for Goff, the landslide always-going-to-win candidate even though their individual vote would make no difference to the candidate race.
But at the same time they gave their party vote to National. Something that really would have an effect on the outcome of the election.
I don't know why and I don't think the Labour party know why.
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Hard News: The sole party of government, in reply to Tze Ming Mok,
Yeah I deleted my fail.
I still think there is something weird going on with people who vote Goff but party vote National. They need to be understood.
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Deleted, cause I fail at reading.
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Hard News: Time to Vote, in reply to Ian Dalziel,
I can see how they’d be able to generate that by collating who has ‘elected’ to vote from their database
No you can get there fairly well by correlating regional differences in demographics with the voting in each electorate. All public data and no need to go near the privacy issues.
I was mostly interested in % turnout for each group as well as overall turnout.
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Hard News: Vision and dumbassery, in reply to mark taslov,
I’m going to rectify this
rectify??? really?? you went there?
What an asshole*.
Sorry I just had to call you that in order to complete the circle :)
* and just in case I fail on tone - no I don't mean it at all.