The New World Order: A Visual Guide

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  • Kumara Republic,

    Also, I wonder how many wingnuts are on the US no-fly list? My guess would be zero, despite their proven tendency to terrorism.

    The only one that comes to mind is Tim McVeigh, and he's been lethally injected since.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    Also, I wonder how many wingnuts are on the US no-fly list? My guess would be zero, despite their proven tendency to terrorism.

    And this is what annoys me, and tempers my amusement at these people's absurdity.

    There's a genuine history of violence, and even mass murder, in this fringe: Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, the Unabomber and the various thugs who attacked abortion clinics. They were all the same sort of people that Beck reaches out to.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Rich Lock,

    The UK pro-foxhunting marches - although foxhunting was banned, it continues with no effective enforcement action.

    I read an argument somewhere recently suggesting that the heavy-handed policing of the countryside march may have had the entirely unintended effect of showing 'ordinary decent law-abiding folk' that it's not just smelly long-haired hippies who get their heads busted when they voice a dissenting opinion.

    Whether this is true, and what the long-term consequences (if any) are likely to be, remains to be seen.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report

  • ScottY,

    It's interesting, though, that the right is much better at civil disobedience than the left:

    There are examples of effective action by the left.

    The French left are pretty effective at getting their way through protest action - though some would say to the detriment of the country. They have a long and gloroius history of blockades and marches.

    Also, I wonder how many wingnuts are on the US no-fly list? My guess would be zero, despite their proven tendency to terrorism.

    Maybe if a few of them start tea-bagging on planes though...

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    And in a curiously apt turn of events, a man has passed out while talking to Glenn Beck, live on Fox:

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • James Bremner,

    Take a look at Obama's 10 year budget projections and tell me everything's hunky dory. There is a lot of genuine head shaking going on over here. Trillion dollar deficits reducing to about $600b before increasing again, and that includes some quite possibly optimistic revenue assumptions. I remember you going on about the deficits Bush ran. If they bothered you, the current and projected ones certainly should.

    Obama's "stimulus" package is a load of crap, but even if you gave him a pass for that, how can you justify the kind of spending he plans on undertaking in the subsequent years? Where is all this money coming from? The world doesn't have the kind of savings required fund Obama's on going deficits. I don't see how we get out of the kind of ultra loose monetary policy we have right now and the kind of over the top fiscal policy we have now and that will apparently continue in the coming in the years ahead without significant inflation. No wonder the Chinese are getting concerned about having their US debt inflated away. The irony of the Chinese “communists” lecturing the (former?) citadel of the free market about spending and debt levels would be just too funny if the Chinese weren’t right.

    As for a few cable people blowing hard, where have you been for the last 8 years? Heard of Keith Olberman? How many completely unhinged conspiracy theories and rantings did he put forward on a weekly basis?

    As for other meanings for "teabag". Just goes to show you who the perverts are. Normal people don't do that kind of crap and so don't know of the other meanings.

    NOLA • Since Nov 2006 • 353 posts Report

  • giovanni tiso,

    As for other meanings for "teabag". Just goes to show you who the perverts are. Normal people don't do that kind of crap and so don't know of the other meanings.

    Ahahahah... priceless... Glenn Beck... normal people... oh boy... ahahahahaha....

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • giovanni tiso,

    Although it does remind me of something else that was fairly hilarious, Jason Jones' trip in the elderly sex-ed centre on the Daily Show a few days ago, and the guy saying that unprotected sex could cause "cunnilinguism".

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Mark Harris,

    And in a curiously apt turn of events, a man has passed out while talking to Glenn Beck, live on Fox

    I'd just like people to notice that the man did not fall until Beck took his hand. That PROVES that Beck has the Death Touch(tm) and is really one of the reptilian shapechangers.

    Which is a perfect cue for our boy from New Orleans, actually.

    Waikanae • Since Jul 2008 • 1343 posts Report

  • Sam F,

    As for a few cable people blowing hard, where have you been for the last 8 years? Heard of Keith Olberman? How many completely unhinged conspiracy theories and rantings did he put forward on a weekly basis?

    As for other meanings for "teabag". Just goes to show you who the perverts are. Normal people don't do that kind of crap and so don't know of the other meanings.

    We missed you and your overbearing moral superiority, bro.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report

  • Gareth Ward,

    As for other meanings for "teabag". Just goes to show you who the perverts are. Normal people don't do that kind of crap and so don't know of the other meanings.

    Gorgeous.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    Hi James!

    Obama's "stimulus" package is a load of crap, but even if you gave him a pass for that, how can you justify the kind of spending he plans on undertaking in the subsequent years?

    Had the US economy been rationally managed for the past eight years, the Federal Reserve might have had somewhere to go on interest rates, but there are no levers left.

    And then there's last month's US Bureau of Labour statistics:

    for workers in manufacturing, the rate rose from 5 percent last March to 12.2 percent today; in professional and business services, the rate jumped from 6.2 percent to 11.4 percent; in wholesale and retail trades, it rose from 4.9 percent to 9 percent; and in the transportation and utilities sectors, it rose from 4.3 percent to 9 percent

    Ironically, this wouldn't be such a problem in "socialist" Europe, where the social safety net helps moderate economic shocks. That's why France and Germany are resisting debt-fuelled stimulus to the extent that they can. In America, that's a lot of people without health insurance (which they lost with their jobs) or money to live on. It's much more urgent.

    I've read you before here reciting the talking point about how things aren't really so bad with the US economy -- but they are.

    America doesn't have much choice. It's looking into the abyss. And if all the government can do is be the buyer of last resort, then it has to do that.

    And in the end, all the wheezy American exceptionalism that animates the New World Order conspiracy crap we've been hearing is, as you note yourself, deeply ironic. These people don't seem to grasp that China already owns them.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • giovanni tiso,

    These people don't seem to grasp that China already owns them.

    I await the next book by Francis Fukuyama with a breath that could only be described as "bated".

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Emma Hart,

    As for other meanings for "teabag". Just goes to show you who the perverts are. Normal people don't do that kind of crap and so don't know of the other meanings.

    I think I'm in love.

    James, please provide me with a list of abnormal sexual practices so I can avoid them in future. We can file it over with 'things women aren't allowed to talk about'.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report

  • Angus Robertson,

    There's a genuine history of violence, and even mass murder, in this fringe: Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, the Unabomber and the various thugs who attacked abortion clinics. They were all the same sort of people that Beck reaches out to.

    Glen Beck's veiwers/listeners number about 2.5-3.0 million, the psycho killer whackjob fringe amoung Americans is smaller. Get a big enough set of people following any political cause and yes there will be some whackjobs.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report

  • Paul Litterick,

    Get a big enough set of people following any political cause and yes there will be some whackjobs.

    Normal people don't do that kind of crap and so don't know of the other meanings.

    By which I mean that extremist political opinions like Beck's encourage extremists. Someone who conjures stories of conspiracies is bound to provoke some people to take violent action against the supposed conspirators.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report

  • Paul Litterick,

    BTW, a meme is born. I foresee the phrase "normal people don't do that kind of crap and so don't know of the other meanings" having a bright future on this System.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    As I noted, these kinds of beliefs have been around a long time.

    The John Birch Society has been incoherently anti-Communist since 1958. Its founder, Robert Welch, described Pres. Eisenhower as a "conscious, dedicated agent of the Communist Conspiracy" -- causing a split at the conservative end of the Republican Party -- and the One World Government template is theirs.

    Some members formed paramilitary groups to resist the Communist takeover -- which, to judge by the rhetoric, has now begun.

    There are other strands: when people in The Obama Deception talk about international banking cabals controlling the President, they're silently saying "Jews".

    The difference now is really the airtime and the affirmation these people are getting.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Rich of Observationz,

    The world doesn't have the kind of savings required fund Obama's on going deficits

    They do however have the capacity to make and mine stuff that America wants to buy. They want to keep doing so, rather than having hoards of unemployed workers creating trouble, so lending money to the US is a good option.

    Plus the US government is a good risk. US public debt is 61% of GDP, which is mainstream (more than NZ, less than Germany). If the US wanted or needed to reduce its debt, it has lots of room to cut spending and increase taxes. Bringing the troops home, or making people pay the same for gas as Europeans, for instance.

    Oh hang on, maybe that's the horror that the wingnuts forsee. Making America behave like other states!

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    Bringing the troops home, or making people pay the same for gas as Europeans, for instance.

    Both of which have political implications. The screaming last week about the fact that Obama had increased the defence budget, but not by the 15% annually that it had been allowed to grow was bizarre.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    Oh hang on, maybe that's the horror that the wingnuts forsee. Making America behave like other states!

    Pretty much, actually.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Paul Litterick,

    The difference now is really the airtime and the affirmation these people are getting.

    Fox broke through the boundary of constraint which the older channels had maintained. It makes no pretence of neutrality or balance; it is partisan television. It will take any opinion on the right and run with it. Talk radio is the same. Internet is open season, every day.

    Right wing opinions are ideal for modern media. They are simple, aggressive and emotive. They fit nicely into little packets of prejudice which can be digested in seconds. The rolling news narrative of Fox and friends is that of a conspiracy of smart liberal people above and a seething criminal underclass below. In between is Fox man, blue collar and blue state, who is as mad as hell and is not going to take it any more.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1000 posts Report

  • Kumara Republic,

    Right wing opinions are ideal for modern media. They are simple, aggressive and emotive. They fit nicely into little packets of prejudice which can be digested in seconds. The rolling news narrative of Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda and friends is that of a conspiracy of smart liberal Jews above and a seething Roma underclass below. In between is Reichsvolk, blue collar and red state, who is as mad as hell and is not going to take it any more.

    Sounds remarkably like producerist ideology. At the risk of breaching Godwin's Law, I've substituted a few words in Paul L's original post, and the end result is self-explanatory.

    America's red & blue state terminology confuses many at first, being in reverse to popular colour identifications elsewhere.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    From the Sourcewatch article on the John Birch Society. Forgive the long quote, but it's very interesting:

    In October 1964, the Idaho Statesman newspaper expressed concern about what it called an "ominous" increase in JBS-led "ultra right" radio and television broadcasts, which it said then numbered 7,000 weekly and cost an estimated $10 million annually. "By virtue of saturation tactics used, radical, reactionary propaganda is producing an impact even on large numbers of people who, themselves, are in no sense extremists or sympathetic to extremists views," declared a Statesman editorial. "When day after day they hear distortions of fact and sinister charges against persons or groups, often emanating from organizations with conspicuously respectable sounding names, it is no wonder that the result is: Confusion on some important public issues; stimulation of latent prejudices; creation of suspicion, fear and mistrust in relation not only to their representatives in government, but even in relation to their neighbors."

    The Statesman article went on to charge "that there are many local communities in which the tactics of the extremists have made life miserable for good citizens . . . through spying, nocturnal phone calls, economic and social pressures, stoning, even bombings, and other tactics alien to the American way of working out political decisions. … An unchecked increase in this kind of propaganda is degrading the American political dialogue to such a point as to damage our self-respect at home and our reputation for public responsibility abroad. These radical, reactionary positions are undermining American Democracy."

    Birch Society influence on US politics hit its high point in the years around the failed 1964 presidential campaign of Republican candidate Barry Goldwater, who lost to incumbent President Lyndon Baines Johnson. Welch had supported Goldwater over Nixon for the Republican nomination, but the membership split, with two-thirds supporting Goldwater and one-third supporting Nixon. A number of Birch members and their allies were Goldwater supporters in 1964 and some were delegates at the 1964 Republican convention. The Goldwater campaign in turn brought together the nucleus of what later became known as the New Right, many of whom had been groomed by the Birch Society but whose more pragmatic members realized that the group's conspiracism and its affiliation with racism and anti-Semitism were impediments to electoral success. Birch Society members also authored several widely-distributed books that promoted conspiracy theories and mobilized support for the Goldwater campaign:

    A Choice, Not an Echo by Phyllis Schlafly, suggested that the Republican Party was secretly controlled by elitist intellectuals dominated by members of the Bilderberger banking conference, whose policies were designed to usher in global communist conquest. "A Choice, Not an Echo" became one of Goldwater's campaign slogans.

    The Gravediggers, co-authored by Schlafly and retired Rear Admiral Chester Ward of the Foreign Policy Research Institute, claimed that U.S. military strategy and tactics were actually designed to pave the way for global communist conquest.

    Schlafly is still considered respectable enough to have a column as Townhall.com. And of course, we have our own star, in the form of former Act Party vice-president, and commie-sleuther and longtime "student" of the very JBS-influenced cult Zenith Applied Philosophy, Trevor Loudon.

    Loudon played a significant role in feeding the US crazies "revelations" about Obama's crypto-communist past last year. It would've been a bad smell in most political parties, but in Act, they made him vice-president!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

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