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Speaker: The real problem with the ‘Kiwimeter’

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  • Stephen Judd, in reply to Tze Ming Mok,

    I think they used the Waitangi Day promo effort to get their initial sample. So when you see the "You are a Globalist, 7% are like you" that's based on that early bunch of respondents. Heaven knows how they weighted it to derive the proportions!

    They emailed all the people who had done the Vote Compass last year:

    Kia ora!

    During the last general election you participated along with more than 300,000 New Zealanders in Vote Compass, an initiative ONE News developed in collaboration with prominent New Zealand academics. You are receiving this e-mail because you consented to be contacted for future studies.

    There’s been a lot of public discussion about our national identity recently. We thought it was an opportune time to develop a new application aimed at helping individual Kiwis explore their unique fit within the story of New Zealand.

    We want your help. We’re inviting you to be part of a select group who can offer a diverse perspective on national identity.

    It will take about 20 minutes or so of your time. Please consider helping shape this initiative by participating in this survey. Your responses will determine the makeup of the resulting application.
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    We will be collecting feedback until Friday, February 12, 2016.

    We know your time is valuable and we very much appreciate your commitment to making your voice heard. You will be able to see the result of your input when the application is launched on ONE News Now in early March. ONE News website in early March.

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    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Tze Ming Mok,

    They're really boasting now about 130,000 respondents? Congratulations, that's 130,000 respondents worth of worthless data that doesn't mean anything!

    Wow. At 10 minutes per survey, which is the time it takes as advised by TVNZ, that's nearly 903 continuous non-sleeping days of people filling out a dumb survey.

    They could have been contributing that time towards building the economy, damnit!

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1141 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell, in reply to linger,

    Download; convert to jpg; attach to comment … et voila

    I must admit that's always bothered me - it's essentially a copyright breach when direct linking would not be

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • Moz,

    8 Tribes

    Did they have to say at the very start "everyone lives in Auckland"? Those suburb names meant almost nothing to me. I know the words, barely any more and definitely not the stereotypes. I've visited Auckland, but when I had to choose a major city to live in, I moved to Sydney.

    It's just another way to start off on the wrong foot with the 2/3rds of NZ who don't actually live in Auckland.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1233 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Moz,

    Only 5 out of 8 of those are in Auckland. Raglan is another town altogether, and Balclutha and Cuba St are not in Auckland.

    FWIW I don't know what those stereotypes are either. Well Raglan is probably rural coastal types...but the others are a mystery. Not that I care much, because stereotyping like that just puts me off. I couldn't afford to live in Grey Lynn even if I wanted to, but that's my tribe, apparently. Yeah, wrongfooted already, as you say.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to BenWilson,

    Not really. Raglan is a trendy town these days, with a significant arts community.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2560 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    I would like to know who these 'prominent New Zealand academics' are, so I can avoid them in the tearoom.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2560 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Geoff, I found myself instinctively looking for a "like" button on that one.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    a simple esteem engine....

    looking for a “like” button

    agreed, yet isn't that another example of a self selecting survey...
    ;- )

    It always intrigued me that Stuff Comments has 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' options while the NZ Herald only has 'thumbs up' - and within Stuff's two options they are self cancelling - so you can never really know how many people took part if it goes evenly either way (if my feeble brain has grasped the process correctly...)

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to BenWilson,

    Only 5 out of 8 of those are in Auckland. Raglan is another town altogether, and Balclutha and Cuba St are not in Auckland.

    Ooops, so my assumption that there must be Auckland versions of the latter two was worng. Raglan... that's kinda like claiming Petone is not part of Wellington. I mean technically it's not, but ...

    I wonder if "Balclutha" is the generic for "south of Cuba St" or are they actually aware that it's quite different from Invercargill, let alone Wanaka or Wakefield.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1233 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Not really. Raglan is a trendy town these days, with a significant arts community.

    And apparently the highest per-capita level of benzodiazepine prescriptions in the country.

    would like to know who these ‘prominent New Zealand academics’ are, so I can avoid them in the tearoom.

    Probably a biochemist and a mechanical engineer. They didn't say they were academics in a relevant field...

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew, in reply to Moz,

    Raglan… that’s kinda like claiming Petone is not part of Wellington. I mean technically it’s not, but

    Well, its more like claiming that Foxton Beach is not part of Wellington. Cos it ain't. Its the best part of a 2 hour drive from central Aucks and you have to go through Hamilton to get there unless you like unsealed back roads.

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Jeremy Andrew,

    Those (sealed) back roads from Ngaruawahia are a great drive.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd, in reply to Jeremy Andrew,

    its more like claiming that Foxton Beach is not part of Wellington.

    Yeah, sorry Moz, that's bullshit. More plausible to say Raglan is a dormitory suburb of Hamilton, but even that's stretching it a lot.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Petone is not part of Wellington. It's a suburb in the Hutt Valley, which is a conglomeration near to, but separated from Wellington.

    It's become standard to describe (in the media) everywhere near a city as part of that city, possibly as an attempt to build support for council amalgamations, but it isn't actually the case.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Jeremy Andrew,

    Its the best part of a 2 hour drive from central Aucks and you have to go through Hamilton to get there unless you like unsealed back roads.

    That's like claiming that Hamilton isn't part of Auckland. :-)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Moz,

    I wonder if “Balclutha” is the generic for “south of Cuba St” or are they actually aware that it’s quite different from Invercargill, let alone Wanaka or Wakefield.

    I feel barely competent to make generalizations about Papatoetoe, much less a place I'm dimly aware exists somewhere around the middle of NZ. Only person I know from Papatoetoe lives in Grey Lynn. And IMHO she's a tribe unto herself.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    I would like to know who these ‘prominent New Zealand academics’ are, so I can avoid them in the tearoom.

    Stay away from the prominent tea rooms and you should be OK

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    so you can never really know how many people took part if it goes evenly either way (if my feeble brain has grasped the process correctly…)

    Yup, and if, say, there were 10,000 likes and 10,100 dislikes, it comes to 100 dislikes which sounds really bad, when in fact it's basically even. Certainly not the same as getting 100 dislikes and no likes at all.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    Yeah, sorry Moz, that's bullshit.

    You don't sound sorry.

    I agree that it's bullshit, but apparently for the opposite reason. I don't consider it essential to know exactly where Raglan is and how it relates to other suburbs of or around Auckland, and I think it's bullshit to demand that people do. I'm happy if that makes me less "kiwi".

    I could as reasonably ask you to describe the people of Whakatu then get pissy when you don't understand that it's a city as well as a suburb, and clearly in this context we're talking about the suburb.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1233 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    The point is it's NOT a suburb of Auckland. Not even a far flung suburb. Simply not a suburb at all, in distance, driving time, culture, having commuters to Auckland, in any way whatsoever. How can we make that clearer?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    And look, I am sorry, genuinely, rudeness got the better of me.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    Attachment

    How can we make that clearer?

    Maybe like this?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    The designers of that "Tribes" survey need to get out of Auckland occasionally - how "Raglan" relates to an aged hippy living in Dunedin, I don't know.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 499 posts Report Reply

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