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  • Craig Ranapia,

    PM stomps on citizen for questioning his policies

    We've got enough theatre going on here to keep Keisha gainfully employed until she's competing with Judi D., Maggie S. and Helen Mirren for work. You delicate faux-chivalrous petals might want to look at some of the evangelical poo thrown at that degenrate unwed teenage mother for daring to play the Virgin Mary. That was a genuine "weird personal attack" (to quote Castle-Hughes).

    And for the record, I don't really give a rat's arse what right-wing celebs have to say about public policy either. Way above your pay grade folks.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • ScottY,

    I wonder what Spot is up to now that Richard Hammond has taken his job.

    Spot's not well

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report

  • Shay Lambert,

    Ah, that explains the hiring of Hammond: Son of Spot.

    Auckland • Since May 2009 • 78 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    It's not quite Shut Up And Sing, but still not all that far off either.

    Ah, yes... The Dixie Chicks fearlessly speaking truth to power about how their dissent was being ruthlessly crushed Tonight! on Larry King. Salman Rushdie ring any bells, ladies? Dalton fucking Trumbo? Theo van Gogh? The endless roll call of dissident artists, writers, and intellectual who don't have a whiny American sense of entitlement, but live under genuine threat to their LIVES?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    No! Spot was a bloody Australian ring-in? What is it with Telecom and foreigners?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Craig, I believe the Dixie Chicks were bodily threatened in seedy clubs and truckstops all over the south. Probly the closest you could get to a Repub fatwa. Pass me some ribs.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    And for the record, I don't really give a rat's arse what right-wing celebs have to say about public policy either. Way above your pay grade folks.

    And Tom Cruise can suck my dick before I pay any attention to his ill-informed, if not outright dangerous, opinions on psychotherapy or anti-depressants. Opinions I rather doubt anyone would have paid the slightest mind to if he was a common or garden whacko Xenu cultist rather than one who happens to be a movie star.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Idiot Savant,

    How is a mass movement by the people a coup?

    More importantly, how can overthrowing an illegitimate government be a coup?

    Sorry, but unless you're elected in free, fair and frequent elections, you have no claim to power, and no-one should shed any tears when you are overthrown in turn.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1717 posts Report

  • Shay Lambert,

    And Tom Cruise can suck my dick

    Jesus, I'm all for bagging celebrities, and especially Tom Cruise for that matter- bastard still owes me $14 for Mission Impossible III - but where did that come from. Although it does have a certain ring to it.

    Tom Cruise can suck my dick if you think I'm paying 12 bucks an hour for a parking space!

    Flat tax rate for high income earners!? Tom Cruise can suck my dick!

    Auckland • Since May 2009 • 78 posts Report

  • Danielle,

    With apologies to Giovanni:

    Tom Cruise: He's Blowing Me Right Now

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Craig, I believe the Dixie Chicks were bodily threatened in seedy clubs and truckstops all over the south. Probly the closest you could get to a Repub fatwa. Pass me some ribs.

    I wasn't aware that the Dixie Chicks spent a lot of time playing truckstops, but its nice to know.

    Of course, threatening to kill anyone because you don't agree with their politics is totally beyond the pale.

    But Theo van Gogh was stabbed to death, and Salman Rushdie spent years in hiding in his own country for the unspeakable sin of writing a book that offended religious fanatics. Unlike men like Dalton Trumbo, the Dixie Chicks weren't left totally unable to make a living because they'd been blacklisted by their label.

    So pardon me if I think having a fatuous blowhole like Bill O'Reilly saying mean things about you on television isn't even on the same level -- hell, I'd take it as a badge of honour.

    but where did that come from.

    Given his rather litigious attitude towards anyone who suggests he's less than entirely heterosexual -- and my disinclination towards fucking outside my species -- I thought it was a piquant way of indicating the extreme improbability of a certain outcome. :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • ScottY,

    bastard still owes me $14 for Mission Impossible III

    The first two films weren't a clue that III could be naff?

    Reminds me of a proverb involving a fool and his money. :)

    West • Since Feb 2009 • 794 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    Ah, yes... The Dixie Chicks fearlessly speaking truth to power about how their dissent was being ruthlessly crushed Tonight! on Larry King. Salman Rushdie ring any bells, ladies? Dalton fucking Trumbo? Theo van Gogh? The endless roll call of dissident artists, writers, and intellectual who don't have a whiny American sense of entitlement, but live under genuine threat to their LIVES?

    Well, they did suffer boycotts (of both their music and Lipton, they sponsor) and had their records removed from many country music stations. They received death threats serious enough to warrant the installation of metal detectors on the doors of their next concert tour. One threat was sufficiently specific that they received a police escort to the airport.

    But that's not the fucking point.

    It's simply absurd to claim that the threshold for being shouted down is a decades-long fatwa or being stabbed to death.

    Fact is, Key's audience-pleasing snark was patronising, rude and completely unnecessary. No amount of drawing extravagant false equivalence changes that.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Degrees of dissent. Not playin, passin through..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Snap! And for once, I managed a more concise comment than Russell.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Another classic example - man of the people Cameron Brewer reminds us "Unemployment rate not as bad as overseas". Well, that's OK then.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Fact is, Key's audience-pleasing snark was patronising, rude and completely unnecessary. No amount of drawing extravagant false equivalence changes that.

    Russell: If you want to talk about extravagant false equivalences, perhaps some folks might want to take a deep breath and acknowledge Key did nothing like "beating up on a teenager" or "giving a kicking" to Castle-Hughes. He may have been "rude and patronising" but I'd say the same damn thing about a lot of the bile that gets thrown at him around here on a daily basis -- and he just better harden up and get used to it. That's what happens when you put yourself in public debate.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Craig Ranapia,

    BTW, Russell let's tease out a real stupid false equivalence. A consumer boycott does not equal "crushing free speech". If those who were offended by the 'Bloody Mary' episode of South Park (to take one example) respond by boycotting C4 and its advertisers and encouraging others to do the same, I'd applaud them for exercising their freedoms in a peaceful and lawful manner -- even if I also think they're totally wrong-headed. Threatening to harm people, or destroy property, not so much.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Fact is, Key's audience-pleasing snark was patronising, rude and completely unnecessary. No amount of drawing extravagant false equivalence changes that.

    Russells right ! I can now imbibe without choking. I found the comment rather patronising, and I think Keisha did too,especially from a man who loves the camera himself.If one needs examples, take any kiwi paper or watch the 6 0'clock news, any channel will do.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    It's all a distraction. Nick Smith is getting away with lying about the facts.

    The most obvious one is throwing around a figure of "24%" gross increase in emissions since 1990 (without mentioning the big offsetting decrease through tree-panting). He follows up by claiming that a 40% net reduction target therefore means we'd have to give up "64%" in the next decade. Of course that sounds impossibly high, alongside the wailings of recalcitrant truckies and dairy farmers. Especially when the NZIER report you rely on conveniently assumes that no one would or could change their behaviour.

    There are not enough media simply calling bullshit when he tries it on. They'd rather report a spat with an actor. Who benefits from that?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Tree-panting is not such a bad term..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    BTW, Russell let's tease out a real stupid false equivalence. A consumer boycott does not equal "crushing free speech".

    In general, no. Consumers can vote how they like with their dollars, although the hysteria manufactured to drive some boycotts can be a bit alarming.

    And when those people crushed all those Dixie Chicks CDs with a bulldozer, it did feel a wee bit book-burny ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Keir Leslie,

    Minister of Health is a management position, not a health position, really. Steve Jobs doesn't know sfa about programming or chip manufacture but he's a very very good CEO of a computer company.

    (As far as I care, pay MPs whatever they want; it isn't much money in absolute terms, and symbolic stands are overrated. Pay isn't really related to societal worth, it is a function of the market, or rather, a function of whatever people can grab. Mallard's getting more money than he would as a teacher, but really, who is it hurting? We pay a tiny amount more in taxes (probably less than the transaction fees on a payment the size of our taxes would be.) It just seems like a total sideshow.)

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    Minister is a governance position, with specialist managers reporting to them. It's like the Board Chair vs CEO, but with all the stuff that coprorates don't have to tangle with.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

  • Sacha,

    How come?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report

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