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Speaker: How is Government evaluating its welfare reforms, and why aren’t we allowed to know?

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  • Marc C,

    Auckland • Since Oct 2012 • 437 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Marc C,

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7948 posts Report Reply

  • Marc C, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    The accused, Russell J. Tully, does appear to be reluctant to work with a professional lawyer, and will instead be represented by two "Friends of the Court".

    That will mean, he is not likely to get much of a chance to effectively defend himself, as such "Friends" usually only do as much as is necessary to make the hearing appear to be "fair".

    The accused man must have some serious mental issues, and that may be one reason for the endless delays. It will remain to be seen how it will all go ahead, and I am interested to hear the accused's story, which has so far not been told.

    There has been no mention of this due hearing on TV or radio news, the MSM do not seem to be all that interested, so far that is.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2012 • 437 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald,

    Russell Tully, born and raised in Ashburton, returned there to die.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1346 posts Report Reply

  • Marc C, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    So we had the first two days of the trial of the accused Russell Tully now, and today he was taken from the courtroom and thus silenced, as he was .in the view of the judge not talking re what mattered and out of order.

    What I get as an impression is, that we may have something that looks more than a show trial, where the verdict has more or less already been made, and where the accused is not allowed to speak, as what he says is deemed to be inappropriate or irrelevant.

    This is where we are now in this country, the likely victim of a draconian, inhumane, biased and unjust WINZ welfare regime is labeled a "manipulater" and "threatening", while the executer of the system goes off without being held to account.

    In my view this is not much different to what we have had in many dictatorships, and the media do not scrutinise what goes on either.

    Shame on this government, for not offering transparency on welfare practices, giving us NO evaluation at all, even where it had been promised, where ministers get away with misleading Parliament and the public, and those "low life beneficiaries" that act against the law, as they see themselves pushed over the limit, are going to be sent to jail or are otherwise trespassed, discriminated against and denied any say.

    The Crown presented as argument that Tulley was unreasonable, was demanding and had to be trespassed as he dared to go into the WINZ Office making claims re his rights, which were denied him. Hence he was trespassed, which appears to have escalated into what happened.

    I will watch with interest where this "trial" will take us, it does so far look embarrassingly bad what is going on. And the public does of course not care a shit, as it was just a beneficiary who acted allegedly illegally.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2012 • 437 posts Report Reply

  • Marc C,

    WINZ and MSD got off lightly, the now convicted killer has wasted the rest of his life, just another New Zealand human tragedy that resulted in more tragedy:

    "Russell John Tully went from nicest bloke to killer"


    "Russell Tully was born in Ashburton Public Hospital on March 14, 1966, to Eileen Patricia, a registered nurse, and Patrick Noel, a railways clerk. His mother was then 33 and Patrick, a strong Catholic, was 45. They already had a son Kevin and a daughter Catherine, who now live in Australia and have made their lives a success.

    Patrick Tully died in 1980 when Russell was only 14 and his mother did not remarry. In 1984 the two boys were living with Eileen. Kevin worked as a farmhand and Russell was a storeman.

    After his job as a storeman, Russell worked for an Ashburton machinery company which refurbished tractors and the like and sold them overseas.

    A workmate from the time, who did not want to be named, said Tully was a good worker and "you couldn't have met a nicer bloke".

    Tully was a quick learner and had a good mechanical aptitude. They went rabbit shooting together.

    "There was never any sign that he was anything other than a good bloke. He was always smiling, always joking. He had a really nice girlfriend."

    Tully had not done an apprenticeship but stayed at the company at least a couple of years."

    He moved to Australia and seemed to be doing fine for a while.

    But how can such a person's life derail?

    There were sadly no questions asked re how WINZ staff treated him, and how the new and more draconian regime in force since mid 2013 may have impacted on Tully and also on the staff working with him. It appeared MSD made huge efforts to keep a lid on all that they may have done wrong, and simply did all to label the shooter as "manipulative", "intimidating" and so forth.

    When do some in the media dare shine the light on what goes on at WINZ, I wonder? The increase in abuse and assaults on WINZ workers over recent years is not just a coincidence. Or do they want to tell us some people are born bad?

    Meanwhile we still get NO evaluation on the trials or social experiments that are done with mentally ill and other ones on benefits. I my humble view this is nothing short of disgusting what MSD and WINZ do or rather not do.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2012 • 437 posts Report Reply

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